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Ukraine has a rare advantage in Lysychansk, but only if supplies can get in.
NY Time ^ | June 13, 2022

Posted on 06/13/2022 4:37:32 AM PDT by McGruff

To anyone standing on a hilltop in Lysychansk, it is clear why this city that is soon to be the focal point of Russia’s offensive in Ukraine’s east seems defendable: it’s on high ground.

Across the sprawling plains of Ukraine’s Donbas region, which is home to Lysychansk, elevation is a rarity, leaving the city’s Ukrainian defenders in an advantageous position.

But it will be impossible to defend Lysychansk, whose pre-war population was around 100,000 people, without a way to get in the necessary supplies: ammunition for Ukrainian tanks and artillery, food and equipment for the thousands of troops garrisoned there.

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1 posted on 06/13/2022 4:37:32 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

The Russian objective is not so much to take ground as to destroy Ukrainian military units.

If they can surround and kill another 10,000 in Lysychansk, they will happily do so.


2 posted on 06/13/2022 5:08:02 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

“If they can surround and kill another 10,000 in Lysychansk, they will happily do so.”

One of my sources was saying that the Russians were idiots to not first encircle them there, as they were Ukraine’s best troops and would simply withdraw to the west of the country and then train the hordes of new recruits. But given what’s going on there, I’d say Russia knew they would be forced to fight to the death there.


3 posted on 06/13/2022 5:18:22 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: FarCenter

Yep, Russians changed strategy from aggressive mobility to a slow pressure campaign. It seems to be working so far. Ukraine does effectively have all the surveillance NATO can offer, so rapid advances are spotted and countered effectively by Ukraine. Plan B for Russia appears to be an artillery meat grinder. I think Ukraine’s refusal to do tactical retreats is helping the Russians. Leaving men to perish in doomed campaigns seems really stupid to me, but I’m far from an expert.


4 posted on 06/13/2022 5:23:17 AM PDT by teevolt
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To: teevolt

The ZSU lacks dedicated long endurance artillery drones, severely limiting their artillery effectiveness doing counter battery fire. Also limiting them is the scarcity of shells; the Orcs fire 50,000 shells, the ZSU fires back 2,000.

The incoming US shells amount to only a few days of Orc shelling. The ZSU needs millions of shells and thousands of tubes to counter the massive amount of Orc artillery. Without the drones like the Orc’s Orlon-10, high precision shells are only hitting the few relatively close targets that commercial drones can reach.


5 posted on 06/13/2022 5:33:26 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: FarCenter

Which side is more easily able to handle the attrition?

The Russian’s are in the same bind we were in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. Generals boasting about kill stats while not realizing that the enemy has an infinite reserve of manpower.


6 posted on 06/13/2022 5:57:11 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: teevolt

“Plan B for Russia appears to be an artillery meat grinder”

The cannon is The Lord of Battle.


7 posted on 06/13/2022 6:05:16 AM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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To: McGruff

I bet if we give them another $40B, that will be enough to keep the supply lines open.

….and if it isn’t we can always try another $40B.


8 posted on 06/13/2022 6:05:31 AM PDT by nitzy
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To: teevolt

Unless the west is sacrificing the Ukrainian Army to make a dent on Russia.


9 posted on 06/13/2022 6:17:59 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: McGruff
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10 posted on 06/13/2022 6:20:47 AM PDT by The Louiswu (We couldn't 'afford' $4 billion for Trump's wall at the southern border?)
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To: nitzy

“”and if it isn’t we can always try another $40B.””

Out of our bottomless bucket....sure why not? I can see the wheels spinning in the WH now!


11 posted on 06/13/2022 6:40:12 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

Minus the big guys 10% cut.


12 posted on 06/13/2022 6:43:15 AM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Waverunner

It’s 12% now - the Putin Price Hike...


13 posted on 06/13/2022 6:47:00 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: McGruff
But it will be impossible to defend Lysychansk, ... without a way to get in the necessary supplies

Oh gosh, the New York Times is so brilliant! Why didn't someone think of that before?

14 posted on 06/13/2022 6:52:01 AM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: kiryandil

My bad for forgetting Bidenflation. Hunters coke usage and in home stripper exercise program have to be paid for. A parents work is never done.


15 posted on 06/13/2022 6:53:48 AM PDT by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Renfrew
The Russian's are in the same bind we were in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam. Generals boasting about kill stats while not realizing that the enemy has an infinite reserve of manpower.

Please provide links to Russian Generals “boasting about kill stats” in Ukraine. And also links demonstrating that the Ukrainian regime “has an infinite reserve of manpower”. I have never heard your unique perspective on this and am assuming that it is based on something other than fantasy.

Of course, recently you have also shared with us your astute observation that "your average 40 year old Russian looks like a 60 year old American...", so who am I to question your latest revelation?

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Average 40 year old Russian

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Average 60 year old American

16 posted on 06/13/2022 7:41:20 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Thank You Rush
/ and if it isn’t we can always try another $40B.

Except it hasn't been $40B, Brandon has been slow rolling Us support all the way.

17 posted on 06/13/2022 10:09:51 AM PDT by grwcfl537
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