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The Day the Electricity Died(moron[sic]renewables)
townhall.com ^ | 5/28/2022 0001 hrs edt | Town hall staff/FFrank Lasee

Posted on 05/28/2022 9:55:30 AM PDT by rktman

Imagine one of your kids freezing to death in your home. Eleven-year-old Cristian Pineda's mother found her son dead during the Texas blackout in February 2021. Or you have a power outage for three days, losing a couple of hundred dollars worth of food because your refrigerator didn’t work, as Michelle Jones did last summer. The food she had just bought to feed herself, her daughter, and her granddaughter spoiled without electricity.

This is likely to become all too common in the future.

What do they all have in common? Increasing their reliance on solar and wind and closing coal plants. A dirty green secret is that coal is full-time power and wind and solar are not. Electric grids must have full-time, on-demand power all the time—plus some—or blackouts are guaranteed.

Another dirty secret: wind and solar produce little or no energy 70% of the time. This means that to replace 1,000 MW of coal, it will take 3,500 MW of wind turbines’ “nameplate capacity,” or 5,000 MW of solar’s. That’s about 1,200 3 MW wind turbines or 13 million solar panels, in either case occupying nearly 40 square miles.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blackouts; bloggers; climageddon; criminalintent; ecoassclowns; electricgrid; electricity; energy; gangreen; powergrid; solar; wind
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Pretty sure the cold is a tad bit more deadly than the warmer times. Rock on windmills. Or, like this POS that is finally producing a little power outside Tonopah NV:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/solar-plant-near-tonopah-producing-power-for-nv-energy-after-stop-during-bankruptcy/

We saw it from the Hwy (US 95) last week and I knew instantly what it was having read about the fiasco before.

1 posted on 05/28/2022 9:55:30 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

DOH! Active link thingy:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/solar-plant-near-tonopah-producing-power-for-nv-energy-after-stop-during-bankruptcy/


2 posted on 05/28/2022 9:56:15 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: rktman

See how you’ll fair in this summer’s blackouts. https://www.nerc.com/pa/RAPA/ra/Reliability%20Assessments%20DL/NERC_LTRA_2020.pdf


3 posted on 05/28/2022 10:01:11 AM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: rktman

The policies are stupid, but we’ll have to survive them until we can change them.

Become a “doomsday prepper”. Learn how to live without electricity. We who grew up in hurricane country know.


4 posted on 05/28/2022 10:14:06 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (qd4)
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To: rktman

You can’t power modern civilization with wind and solar. It cannot be done.

Pass it on.


5 posted on 05/28/2022 10:36:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rktman

IF you do have an outage-—KEEP all refrigerator & freezer doors closed...PERIOD.

ANY decent unit will hold contents well for 3 days....

BUT NOT if doors are opened-—even once-—even for 3 seconds.


6 posted on 05/28/2022 10:37:02 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Yup anyone who has lived in a rural.area along the Gulf Coast knows be ready for two or three weeks without power. Genrac 15kv is the way. Run it off the gas grid with low pressure propane as a back up you only have to adjust the gas regulator once. Mark the settings for NG and again for LPG. We were dark for three weeks after Alicia in the 1980s never did that again have always had a genrac or its equivalent in every home since.


7 posted on 05/28/2022 10:39:44 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: rktman

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8 posted on 05/28/2022 10:50:41 AM PDT by sauropod ("We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they are elected. Don’t you?" Why? "It saves time.”)
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To: rktman

It’s far worse than the author explains.

1. Conventional thermal (steam) plants, whether powered by coal, uranium, or natural gas, have very large electric generators with HUGE rotating mass. The rotational inertia of the generator rotors makes for a very stable electrical system. This characteristic is missing from wind and solar and stabilizing a grid powered by a high fraction of renewables is not possible today.

2. People are ignoring the end-of-life problems with renewable plants. We will have a million abandoned wind towers with blades shorn off in 30 to 50 years time. You cannot open a mine without a reclamation plan that will restore the land to the condition it was in before the mine opened AND you have to post surety bonds to put the money in escrow to make sure the work gets done in the distant future. There’s no such requirement for renewable power plants

3. Replacing all of today’s generation with wind will require about 800 MILLION TONS of material, mainly concrete and steel and, to a lesser extent, fiberglass. The mass of materials needed to build a wind turbine are staggering and require huge mines.

4. ALL of today’s installed utility battery systems will power the country for about 10 minutes. The cost of battery backup that can last for several days is staggeringly immense and just not feasible.

Another FReeper made a good analogy a couple days ago. It’s as if kooks had told farmers to slaughter all of their oxen, mules, and horses right after the gasoline tractor was invented.


9 posted on 05/28/2022 10:51:00 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Been there done that when we lived in Fla. Charging that new F150 EV pick up could be a challenge. 😃


10 posted on 05/28/2022 10:52:35 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Last Fall, we installed a 26 kW Briggs & Stratton backup generator powered by natural gas. We are in an area of North Idaho that gets huge windstorms and extensive tree fall leading to frequent and sometimes very long outages. It has a Automatic Transfer Switch, so the lights go out for 45 seconds and come back on. As long as the natural gas system keeps running, we are good. We used the generator once this past winter for about four hours.

I’m planning for summer utility outages because the enviro-kooks keep getting more and more power.


11 posted on 05/28/2022 10:54:25 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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To: Pollard

The thing that stands out is how little solar and wind are expected to change over the next ten years. For that matter, how little anything is expected to change in 10 years. Generating capacity is expected to remain mostly flat compared to now.

Blackouts much? Yes.

Windy parts of the nation are almost covered with turbines, the good parts are taken up, offshore remains. Even with such massive building programs solar and wind remain and will remain just a fraction, a small fraction, of power generation capacity.

Table 7 on page 30 shows the paltry real contribution of wind and solar with actual delivery / nameplate contributions of mostly less than 20% for wind.

I recall during the deepwater horizon fiasco trying to reason with some federal officials and how they ignored virtually everything that did not fit their agenda. This is how they can ignore the facts, engineering, physics and reality that renewables simply can’t fill the needs of any modern society. Without nuclear of some sort this is all a pipe dream leading to ruin.


12 posted on 05/28/2022 10:56:47 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Sadly there are too many people that cannot resist voting for RINOs and others that are the ones forcing this crap down our throats.

When they continue to elect the likes of Kemp, Rafdensberger, Graham, Cornyn and all the others, this is what se get.


13 posted on 05/28/2022 11:04:59 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: rktman

Everybody run out and buy an electric car right now. Problem solved.


14 posted on 05/28/2022 11:28:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Long live the Great MAGA King!)
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To: rktman

What is this marvelous Green Energy source politicians drool about but no one is able to tell us what it is.

I am quite sure that sooner or later the day will come when society can take advantage of Nuclear Fusion power, but until then we will have to rely on conventional sources like oil, coal, hydro electric as well as regular Nuclear power plants which depend on fission and not fusion.

Needless to say, wind turbines as well as solar panels add a nice touch and provide some additional sources of energy but it never can come up with the amount of power a growing society needs. I am still waiting for someone to come up and tell us what this mysterious energy source is going to be as we are supposed to GO GREEN and supposedly will replace all the carbon based resources we are using currently, as well as regular convectional nuclear power.

If by chance they are thinking about nuclear fusion as state earlier, sooner or later we most likely will have it but it will be quite a few more years down the road before we can take advantage of such properly functioning power plants. In the meantime we would do well to make the best of what we have and utilize it to the fullest, instead of foolishly refusing to use such sources and by doing so create nothing but havoc, hardship as well as the economy going to hell.

At he moment all that talk about GOING GREEN is nothing more, as Mike Adams bluntly pointed out in one of his articles…. The “Go green” cheer is really just a virtue signaling way to say, “Go F off and die.”


15 posted on 05/28/2022 1:00:19 PM PDT by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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To: JD_UTDallas

Generac 14kw to 15kw starts at $4,199.00 (shipping and taxes extra) and goes to $4,899.00 (shipping and taxes extra) - fancier models cost more a lot more.


16 posted on 05/28/2022 1:40:24 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: JD_UTDallas
Genrac 15kv is the way

Who can afford the fuel for that? Cheaper just to leave and go to a hotel.

17 posted on 05/28/2022 1:43:22 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: rktman

Basically wind, solar and bio make people feel good like they “are making a difference™” and that is the major effect of these energy scams. All other claims are so much propaganda.


18 posted on 05/28/2022 1:46:59 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: rktman; All
"What do they all have in common? Increasing their reliance on solar and wind and closing [??? emphasis added] coal plants."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

I remember an FR thread about 2021 Texas freeze that volunteered allegation that feds had refused a Texas request to increase (coal?) power output ahead of the storm. The following link supports that recollection.

We Have The Documents! Tx Had Power Grid Shut Off By Feds Under Biden – Live Show (Non-FR; 2.19.2021)

The constitutionally undefined EPA run by non-elected bureaucrats aside, unless a power plant and fuel is properly constitutionally owned by the feds, feds have no express constitutional power to dictate state electrical power output imo.

Insights welcome.

19 posted on 05/28/2022 2:01:50 PM PDT by Amendment10
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Ergo, the rat’s purpose of greening energy is the destruction of civilization.

Upon the rubble they think, like all marxists, they can shape the New Man in their police state.


20 posted on 05/28/2022 2:18:32 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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