Posted on 05/27/2022 4:53:01 AM PDT by JonPreston
The Russian backed armed militants declared themselves People’s Republics; the referenda was worded to call for autonomy. Even the Mink’s agreements called for autonomy in a united Ukraine.
Revisionism! Ukraine has not been shelling Russians or Russia for the last 8 years. Russia has not been fighting Ukraine…until now. Kiev has been shelling independence minded Ukrainians who have lost faith in Kiev because of a Revolution. You are wrong.
Boy you are literally quite ecstatic on multiple threads over the prospects over a murderous, brutal, and evil regime expanding its power and influence.
So those that oppose this war and never wanted it to occur in the first place are fixated on war?
You continue to make absolutely zero sense. Talk about projection.
You’re right...I absolutely LOVE watching the globaloid/WEF/neocon enterprise get smashed. Their pain is my pleasure.
So go cry me a river of tears - while I lmfao.
By “most of the world” these people mean “UK, France, Germany (maybe) and the US”
I am pro-Russia because I am pro-spheres of influence and anti any “rules based international order”.
Yes, Neocons are fixated on war. Additionally, you as a Republican Wildcat, support a political party that just spent $40bn dollars, money we don’t have, on this war. Shame on you.
“I am pro-Russia because I am pro-spheres of influence and anti any “rules based international order”.”
So you are perfectly okay with invading a neighbor in order to establish a sphere of influence (hegemony), which is nothing but a mini-international order, because it does not yet include the whole world. Until it does. You’re not only a hegemonist, but a new-world-order advocate, by baby steps.
” suggest you lose the anger and do some rudimentary research. Putin reacted to NATOs provocation. Now run along. It 💤 nap time at the home.”
Ah, projection again. If I ever got angry you’d know it, and I’d be banned from FR.
If Putin was so worried about “NATO provocation” (which you still have not identified), how come he didn’t invade Latvia? Or Estonia? Or Lithuania? They all became NATO members in 2004. Or Poland? It became a NATO member in 1999. All of those countries border Russia. Couldn’t have been much of a provocation.
My great uncle was promoted to captain for the Mexican punitive expedition of 1916.
I believe in the Monroe Doctrine. If Russia has one for its neighbors I’m fine with that.
“The Russian backed armed militants declared themselves People’s Republics...”
In other words, independent.
“...the referenda was worded to call for autonomy.”
Yeah, because they realized they had screwed up by declaring independence. But that’s like closing the gate after the horse escaped, because by declaring independence in April, 2014 they had declared a revolution, a civil war.
“Even the Mink’s agreements called for autonomy in a united Ukraine.”
Yes! A UNITED Ukraine. Meaning ALL of Ukraine! That means, by the very language of the Ukrainian Constitution, refereda by ALL Ukrainian citizens, not just a select few.
The Ukrainian Constitution of 1996 specifically set out the law re: autonomy: “According to article 73 of the 1996 Constitution of Ukraine, and article 3 of the 2012 law on referendums, territorial changes can only be approved via a referendum if all citizens of Ukraine are allowed to vote, including those that do not reside in the area.[23][24]”
So, have the referenda on autonomy, but pursuant to the Ukrainian constitution. But, no; the so-called republics and their sponsor, Russia, rebelled at that; they insisted the referenda could only be put to the people of the affected areas, and not include Ukrainians at large, in contravention of the Ukrainian constitution! Thus, how the separatists and Russia interpreted “referenda for autonomy” was unconstitutional — and thus, illegal — on its face.
The pro-Russia posters here on FR ALWAYS ignore that very pertinent fact.
“I believe in the Monroe Doctrine. If Russia has one for its neighbors I’m fine with that.”
The Monroe Doctrine applied to the Western Hemisphere. The Western Hemisphere is defined as: “The Western Hemisphere is the half of Earth which lies west of the prime meridian and east of the antimeridian. The other half is called the Eastern Hemisphere.”
So, one half the globe under the hegemony of the US and the other half under the hegemony of...Russia? China? India? Whom? Because, if we get half the world, then someone else necessarily gets the other half. And, you do realize, I assume, that the extreme eastern point of Russia would fall within our hegemony, right? And the extreme western tip of the US (at the Aleutians) would fall under the eastern hegemony?
You’re pretty far off of my point here.
For the past 8 years Ukraine has been fighting against Russian backed militants. This was a legitimate military operation to restore the Ukrainian rule over its sovereign territory that had been seized by Russian surrogates. What is was not was a genocide of the civilian population of Donbas.
Even if the complaints of the militants were justified, there should have been an attempt of a political solution before the use of arms. Rather, instigated and supported by Russia, a faction of the ethnic Russian minority seized control. When you get past the rhetoric, all this is is a naked land-grab on the part of the Russians who will not accept an independent Ukraine.
“ When you get past the rhetoric, all this is is a naked land-grab on the part of the Russians who will not accept an independent Ukraine.”
So what?
IMO, Zelensky needs to stop his begging, shaming, demanding that the world fight and FINANCE his war and get to the negotiation table. Otherwise, not my dog, not my hunt.
In the last push to Berlin, Stalin intentionally pitted two of his major army generals against each other in the last days of Europe’s WWII. He kept telling one about the other’s success and alluding to the accolades that one would get in ‘taking Berlin.’
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