Posted on 03/17/2022 9:05:07 PM PDT by Renfrew
The stance of President Volodymyr Zelensky on the war with Russia remains unhindered and fundamental, i.e. the recognition of Ukraine’s international borders as of 1991.
This was stressed by Oleksiy Arestovych, adviser to the head of the Ukrainian President’s Office, at a briefing on Thursday, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.
“The new topic of powerful special information operations is that Ukraine is allegedly refusing to engage in or losing negotiations. I’d like to remind you that the core position of the Ukrainian president is that Ukraine must be recognized within its international borders as of 1991. This is the first thing. Secondly, everything we agree on should be better than it was before the war," said the Presidential Office head’s adviser.
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* Ukraine can't join NATO, but can sign mutual defense treaties with America and other Western powers * Ukraine gives up Crimea and the Donbass.
Zelensky's response: nuts to that we are going to fight you until the last Russian solider is off Ukrainian soil.
Ballsy response considering the Russian offer wasn't a bad one. The Ukrainians seem quite confident they can win this.
Little Churchill’s was heard telling men close to him, “I know some of you might lose your lives for these principles,
but that’s a risk I’m willing to take.”
They can only win this if they pull us into WW3 to bail them out, and they just might pull it off if Zelensky can blackmail the Biden family.
And the Romney and Pelosi families and Graham etc.
[They can only win this if they pull us into WW3 to bail them out, and they just might pull it off if Zelensky can blackmail the Biden family.]
In WWII, the Germans invaded Russia. This campaign has Russians invading Ukraine.
During the Soviet era, Russian families were held hostage via ration cards. Mutiny, and no food for them. The Germans were looking to kill all of Russia after their victory, and made huge down payments on this intent by starving 2/3 of the Russian POW’s to death and slaughtering Russian civilians randomly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan
Neither condition holds true in Ukraine. So desertion, mutiny and outright defection are all options.
Assuming official Russian casualties are true - 500 in 1 week - 500 is 1/2 the average Russian KIA in Afghanistan for an entire year. I suspect Putin is going to run into serious problems taking casualty numbers at ~25x its reported Afghan War rate per week with half the Russian population that it had during the Afghan campaign. All those single son families are gonna be screaming bloody murder.
When you compare Afghanistan to Vietnam, it’s remarkable how much less punishment in body count terms the Russians were able to take before hitting their uncle point. The official Russian KIA number in Afghanistan was 13,000 over about 10 years, which is roughly 1/5 the US number in Vietnam. When you think about the coercive powers of the totalitarian Soviet state vs the anything goes milieu of 60’s and 70’s America - it’s amazing the US hung in there so long.
At the present time, Ukraine has inflicted 7,000 killed on Russia (US estimates) or 14,000 (Ukraine estimates). Either way, the toll on Russia has been significant. If you take the US estimate, the Russians have taken half of all the KIA they lost in a decade of Afghan fighting only after 3 weeks in Ukraine. And Russia has half the population it had in the Soviet-Afghan War.
has it been established that russia has shirked on supplies to the invasion front, in particular rations, which are outdated and may be inedible? also how is russia doing for domestic inflation after the sanctions? maybe Zelensky is factoring these into the mix. if russia is hurting as badly as some claim then they cannot sustain the invasion effort for more than a couple of weeks from now...
And everyone should get pie, with ice cream!
They want reparations. And they should get them.
Putin started this war. Let him pay to clean it up.
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Ballsy, but futile, unless he can win the war
Ballsy, or reckless, considering that Ukraine had de facto lost the Crimea and Donbass before the war began. Ukraine has beaten the point spread, but there is a world of difference between that and reestablishing its 1991 borders.
It could just be an attempt to enter negotiations without having conceded anything in advance.
Crimea is as Russian as vodka. Zelenksy is prolonging the pain at the petrol pump if this instransigence is correct
Dude, go away.
You’re becoming more annoying than Fauci.
Russia’s 15 points include “denazification” which means anybody Putin doesn’t like or doesn’t like Putin must be declared a Nazi and removed from government.
Ukraine must recognize Crimea as Russian. Must recognize Donbass and Luhansk as independent. And then free to “vote” to join Russia.
Must recognize Russian as a secondary Ukrainian national language.
Must agree to no offensive weapons and demilitarization. It will only be allowed a fake German type Army. Must not station foreign troops or missiles on Ukrainian ground. This renders any security guarantees from the US,France,and/or UK useless. So Russia can freely invade Ukraine again at any time.
This would be Ukraine signing its death warrant and becoming a vassal state of Russia. This is not a good deal.
I saw a photo the other day of a Russian carrying a Mosin-nagant PU sniper. That was supposed to have been replaced by the dragunov over 50 years ago. The optic was not updated. Was the initial push done by conscript troops? If so. It was a stupid move.
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Why is the winning side of the war at fault for demanding the Russians accept their terms?
That's what winners do.
Take a look at the battle map day by day. Little to no changes, with Ukraine taking back a town or two, and maybe losing a town, and taking it back again.
And that's all Ukraine really needs to do is win. Spend the Russkies dry until their shitty military collapses. At this rate, the Russians will be lucky if Ukraine doesn't take back Crimea and the fake little "separatist" regions.
Zelensky knows Putin is negotiating a face saving exit because that’s the only choice Putin has. Zelensky who owns a signed copy of the Art of the Deal should demand nothing less than getting Crimea back, which is exactly what he is doing.
Crimea used to part of Russia until it was gifted to the the UkrSR with a ukrainian, Khruschev, at the helm. It was under Russian control for 150yrs. About as long as Alaska has been owned by U.S. if it hsdn’t been gifted to UkrSR by baldie, it would have been Russian controlled for nearly 190 yrs. So how long is enough to satisfy it being Russian
Why are Russian seperatists fake. Seem to have as much right as anyone else to choose their destiny if they can achieve it. Albanian muslims got Cluntoon to do the job for them. If they don’t achieve it, well thats the way it goes. But they aren’t fake. Anymore than Scots are fake
Ballsy, but unrealistic. However, as long as he has the support of his people to carry on fighting, and it certainly seems that way, he should carry on.
No NATO direct fight
Bull. Ukrainians are still willing to fight. And Ukrainian refugees are willing to keep up the hardship for now
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