Posted on 02/22/2022 7:24:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
I sell used cars and parts. I don’t care who what you are as long as your check clears. That said I’m in different on others choosing who they want their customers to be.
Because freedom to express ideology is not a protected right in the private sphere (thus FR can zot libs) vs, amoral aspects as race, and SCOTUS has wrongly chosen to equate homosexuality as race or ethnicity. Thus since a private entity cannot actually discriminate against people on the basis of race, then neither can it refuse services, even special works of art if such are offered, based on being part of a sexual orientation "ethnicity." This is the tragic immoral consequence of of SCOTUS going to war against God.
However, since the likes of FB can censor those who express ideology that is associated with a non-PC color or race (like removing Dr. Seuss books) under the broad category of Terms of Use as "hateful," "offensive," etc.) then since homosexual marriage is an expression of ideology then one could try to justify refusal on that ground.
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (Psalms 2:10-12)
“hmmm.....wonder if simply delivering a crappy product would work?”
The purpose is not to enjoy your product or service. It is to make you eat dirt. It’s to force you to admit they are superior to you and your filthy religion, faith, and morality. Because that is the purpose, there is no such thing as a win where they can walk away satisfied*. If they win this one, then they must do something even worse so they can force you to eat, not dirt, but feces. And, when they win that one, they’ll have to get together a focus group and find something that will disgust you even further.
* As evidence of this how fast did we go from all we want is equality to you MUST bake the cake?
“To the business owners - Why get involved in this?”
Because they want to get another case in front of the courts.
“How many times does SCOTUS have to slap the hand of the appeals court?”
Forever, until the SCOTUS actually strikes down the law which is causing the problem. Leaving the law in place and expecting the state to apply it with some restrictions “in good faith” is a pipe dream. The law will be applied as ruthlessly as possible as long as it stands, because that is the entire purpose of the law.
One hallmark of civilization is that one doesn’t have to risk the chance of observing people brutishly copulating in the public ways if one goes out of the house. That was kind of like something you didn’t want to see back when it was common. Too bad nobody remembers those days. (Liberals who travel to places where primitive behavior is the rule are usually completely and openly offended at how gross the natives are.)
Actually no. The ruling didn’t address these issues on the merits. It held that a fair hearing was denied due to various statements of commission members showing a clear bias against the baker.
We’ve seen it before. Now it’s just outside the door.
Not clearly. It stated that religious and philosophical objections to gay marriage are protected views and in some instances protected forms of expression, but "some instances" is left ambiguous, while court specifically stated that the CO civil rights commission showed a "clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs motivating his objection."
Conservative blogger Matt Walsh opined,
"Do not call this 'a huge win for religious liberty.' It simply isn't," he wrote in a tweet. "That is an inaccurate and misleading statement. This is a huge win for Jack Phillips, specifically, but it does precisely nothing to help the general cause of religious liberty." Despite the outcome, the American Civil Liberties Union, the law firm representing the couple, argued that the court's ruling was "based on concerns specific to the case." - https://www.christianpost.com/news/supreme-court-rules-christian-baker-jack-phillips-can-refuse-make-gay-wedding-cakes.html
See my other comments above.
There was a quaint candy shop in the artsy part of town....
I stopped in once and bought some items and paid with a check...
A few days later my check was returned because I had a Bible verse imprinted on it and they essentially said they didn’t want to serve Christians
Now this was years ago......but I wish I had kept the check and note!
PS ....had I known, I’m sure I wouldn’t have wanted to eat anything from there either.
Can a muslim bakery refuse to decorate a cake for a same sex wedding based on their deeply held religious beliefs?
Can a black-owned bakery refuse to decorate a cake with the words "white power" based on their personal objection to the message?
This could wind up being a very slippery slope.
Thank you for posting Tell It Right.
The states have given Congress the express 14th Amendment power to make penal laws to discourage the states from abridging rights that the states have amended the Constitution to expressly protect.
Excerpted from the 14th Amendment:
Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
To address your question, the problem is that, as a consequence of voters being asleep at the wheel for the last century, we have a post-17th Amendment ratification Congress that is not only as corrupt as some states are, desperate federal Democratic and RINO lawmakers stubbornly refusing to do their duty to protect constitutionally enumerated rights from abridgment by the states, but neither will career lawmakers impeach and remove activist Supreme Court justices that ignore constitutionally enumerated rights.
In fact, since constitutionally savvy school children probably could have appropriately decided this case, particularly since the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect politically correct, Democratic vote-winning LGBT "rights," the question is why did this case go all the way to the Supreme Court?
The bottom line is that pro-LGBT activist justices know that they have job security thanks to a corrupt Congress divided by likewise corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties.
Hopefully Trump's red tsunami of patriot voters will weed Democrats and RINOs out of Congress this election year.
Patriots are reminded that they must vote twice this year. Their first vote is to primary RINO incumbents. Their second vote is to replace outgoing RINOs with Trump-endorsed patriot candidates.
Corrections, insights welcome.
“..tell them you are too busy..”
ALWAYS the correct approach.
Um, maybe the food includes things from other people’s smelly bottoms, just as if somebody asked the waiter to take his dinner back to the kitchen for improvement at a restaurant.
Should sent a note back saying “what a coincidence, I don’t wish to be served by people that are intolerant of religion. Thank you for exposing your heart by declaring your intolerance agaisnt christians,, I will do business with people far less bigoted from Now on”
Better yet, you should have collected a stool sample after eating the food stuff you bought there and sent it to them and said “I don’t want something for free, here take your food stuff back” j/k
Got it, thanks.
The correct presentation to the court:
“This company, who wasn’t bothering anyone was targeted by individuals who disagree with them”
“Clearly a violation of Freedom of Speech”
Prescott, AZ would welcome you!
You still get mountain views, altitude and the feeling of Colorado but none of the crazy people.
Altitude with none of the Attitude.
Selling cars and parts is a bit different. After some brief negotiation on price, the customer can decide to buy or decline the purchase. If one is doing wedding cakes and websites, the designer is likely entering into an actual personal relationship with clients.
I still can’t get a ham sandwich at a Jewish deli.
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