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Manchin Opposes Democrats’ IRS Snooping Scheme
The Epoch Times ^ | 10-26-21 | Joseph Lord

Posted on 10/26/2021 10:21:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has come out against a revenue scheme proposed by his party that would have allowed the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to gather information on the inflows and outflows of American citizens’ bank accounts.

The measure initially came to light as a part of Democrats’ $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. In an attempt to head off concerns from moderates, Democratic leaders and rank-and-file lawmakers have desperately marketed the bill as being completely paid for with no substantial effect on the deficit or national debt.

The proposal was met with immediate backlash from Republicans and the private sector.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, “This surveillance program crosses a line,” calling the program “un-American.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that Democrats “want to finance their spending spree by effectively treating every ordinary American as if they were under IRS audit.”

“I must have forgotten when the president campaigned on giving everybody their own audit,” McConnell quipped.

The original draft of the plan would have allowed the IRS to gather this information from any account with $600 or more in activity per year. Because of the sharp backlash against it, proponents of the measure raised the threshold to $10,000, a change that some hoped would cool the response.

Supporters of the plan, like Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen, argued that the measure was good and would help to close the so-called “tax gap,” a gap formed from underreporting income.

“We have a tax gap that over the next decade is estimated at $7 trillion, namely a shortfall in the amount that IRS is collecting due to a failure of individuals to report the income that they have earned,” Yellen said.

But Manchin was not impressed by these arguments.

Speaking at a Tuesday meeting of the Economic Club in Washington, Manchin vehemently opposed the program.

Manchin agreed that the IRS should be somewhat strengthened. Under the reconciliation bill, insisted Manchin, “The IRS is going to be able to do the job that they’re supposed to be doing.”

But Manchin ruled that his party’s snooping scheme did not fall into the category of what the IRS should be doing. “[The IRS was] never able to go into bank accounts,” he noted.

Manchin related a conversation he’d had with President Joe Biden about the program: “I said ‘Mr. President, I don’t know who put this out or how it got screwed up but they said basically, ‘We’re gonna start looking at $600 transactions.’ Even if it’s $10,000, okay, that’s only $800 or $900 [of activity per month].”

Manchin said that he asked the president, “Do you understand how messed up that is? To think that Uncle Sam’s gonna be watching transactions?”

“I said ‘I don’t know how this happened, but this cannot happen. This is screwed up.’”

Manchin indicated that Biden agreed, quoting the president as saying “I think Joe’s right on that.”

Manchin’s opposition to his party’s snooping scheme effectively leaves the measure dead on arrival. Because of their razor-thin single vote majority in the Senate, Democrats cannot afford anything less than full solidarity from their party behind the final bill.

Manchin and other moderates have already tanked a slew of revenue policies proposed by Democrats to ensure that the bill is fully paid for.

Sen. Kyrsten Sinema’s (D-Ariz.) office on Friday confirmed long-circulated rumors that the Arizona senator opposed increasing corporate or income tax rates.

John LaBombard, a spokesman for Sinema, said that the senator “is committed to ensuring everyday families can get ahead and that we continue creating jobs.”

“She has told her colleagues and the president that simply raising tax rates will not in any way address the challenge of tax avoidance or improve economic competitiveness,” he explained.

Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) joined Manchin in opposing a proposed carbon tax.

For Democrats who have marketed the bill as a panacea to the alleged “climate crisis,” a carbon tax or other similar measures are of crucial importance.

But Manchin told reporters that in his mind, “the carbon tax is not on the board at all right now.”

Tester told reporters, “I’m not a big fan of the carbon tax. I just don’t think it works the way it was explained to me.”

The party is now considering a new tax on unrealized capital gains that would target only individuals with $1 billion or more of income per year or individuals with $100 million of income for three consecutive years. Manchin, Sinema, and other moderates have not yet given a nod of approval to this most recent measure.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Kentucky; US: Montana; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: arizona; biden; democrats; failure; irs; janetyellen; joemanchin; johnlabombard; jontester; josephlord; kevinmccarthy; krystensinema; mitchmcconnell; nohedoesnt; redstatedemwit; spending; westvirginia
It is funny watching this guy drive the Leftist into mouth foaming hysteria. Every time they say they are "getting close" he moves the football.
1 posted on 10/26/2021 10:21:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie

“Every time they say they are “getting close” he moves the football.”

I wish I had even a shred of respect for Manchin. He is a whore, and he’s using everything at his disposal to get a major payday.


2 posted on 10/26/2021 10:31:07 AM PDT by brownsfan (For conservatives, we have taxation without representation.)
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To: MNJohnnie
According to Pelosi last weekend, the deal was "90 percent done," but Dems are still two votes short.

3 posted on 10/26/2021 10:33:55 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: MNJohnnie
There are 535 elected to congress and the only one who opposes Biden's plans is Manchen? Something is drastically wrong with this picture.

I don't predict a civil war in the coming years, I predict a revolution!

4 posted on 10/26/2021 10:34:43 AM PDT by eeriegeno (Checks and balances??? What checks and balances?)
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To: brownsfan

True but the point is laughing at the hysteria this all is provoking on the Left.

I doubt anyone has any illusions where this is all going to end.

Congress is going to pass something. They simply cannot help themselves from doing exactly the wrong thing at exactly the wrong time


5 posted on 10/26/2021 10:34:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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All the congress creatures will fall in line after they attach a paragraph to the legislation exempting them from its reach.


6 posted on 10/26/2021 10:39:22 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: brownsfan

Joe Biden was always the better deal at a flat 10%. (I respect that)


7 posted on 10/26/2021 10:44:22 AM PDT by KC_Lion
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To: MNJohnnie

Maybe he has had a “come to Jesus meeting” . . . maybe he got the message that the democrats and anyone else voting for democrats or pro-abortion candidates will get them a sure judgment from God for being murderers of His creation.


8 posted on 10/26/2021 10:45:14 AM PDT by Maudeen (https://thereishopeinJesus.com - Our ONLY hope! )
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To: MNJohnnie

IIRC, one of the reasons people were so angry with Nixon is that he suggested the possibility of weaponizing the IRS against political enemies.

How low we have sunk, to have this promoted as a permanent policy.


9 posted on 10/26/2021 11:57:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (FJB/LGB (Let's Go, Brandon!))
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To: MNJohnnie

But hes gong along with it anyway, scumbag doesn’t change his spots


10 posted on 10/26/2021 3:11:09 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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