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To: ealgeone

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Synopsis
1946 reveals the ground-breaking research of Kathy Baldock, a Christian Conservative LGBTQIA+ activist and Ed Oxford, an LGBTQIA+ theologian, in their quest to, discover what factors ignited the anti-gay movement within American conservative Christians. The filmmaker, Sharon “Rocky” Roggio, started this pursuit in an effort to find common ground, within scripture, for her and her conservative father, Pastor Sal Roggio. What has been discovered along the way stands the chance to profoundly change the language of inclusion and to better the lives of both conservative Christians and the LGBTQIA+ people they love. The removal of the LGBTQIA+ person from the sin category is akin to this century’s abolition of racial discrimination and the passing of women’s suffrage. There are two sides of history to stand on.

C.S. Lewis said, “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.”

Kathy Baldock, a straight ally, Christian LGBTQIA+ activist, and leading expert on LGBTQIA+ issues in the United States along with Ed Oxford, an LGBTQIA+ Christian researcher and a Masters of Divinity graduate of Talbot School of Theology, have been seeking to answer these questions and more. They are currently in the process of writing, FORGING A SACRED WEAPON: HOW THE BIBLE BECAME ANTI-GAY, by tracing the creation of anti-gay theology in America and analyzing how the Bible has been weaponized against LGBTQIA+ people.

In the summer of 2017, Kathy and Ed’s research* led them to Yale University, where they were the first two people to investigate what caused the 1946 R.S.V.** translation team - the first team in all of history - to use the word “homosexual” in any language. The translation team under the supervision of Dr. Luther Weigle combined two Greek words in the Biblical passage I Corinthians 6:9-10, “Malakoi” and “Arsenokoitai”, resulting in the modern term, “homosexual”. After prolonged research, Kathy and Ed discovered a letter penned by a 21-year old seminary student known as David S. David writes in 1959:

“I write this letter after many months of serious thought and hard work, partly to point out that which to me is a serious weakness in translation, but more because of my deep concern for those who are wronged and slandered by the incorrect usage of this word. Since this is a Holy Book of Scripture sacred to the Christians, I am the more deeply concerned because well meaning and sincere, but misinformed and misguided people (those among the clergy not excluded) may use this Revised Standard Version as a sacred weapon, not in fact for the purification of the church, but in fact for injustice against a defenseless minority group which includes the sincere, convicted spiritually reborn Chirstian who has discovered himself to be of homosexual inclination from the time of his memory. I write this letter with certain homosexual individuals in mind - Chrisitans who would die for their faith, their church, and their lord but who cannot alter their biological state of being. I hope that the committee responsible for considering any possible corrections or revisions of the R.S.V. text may take my case here presented into consideration.”

Additional correspondence between David S. and Dr. Weigle had the profound effect of changing Dr. Weigle’s position; the R.S.V. translation team did in fact replace the word “homosexual” in 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 to “sexual perverts.” Unfortunately, due to poor timing, the change did not take effect in the R.S.V.-Revised until 1971. By then, 25 years had past, and the damage was done. Three other independent teams were already working on other Bible translations, each using the 1946 R.S.V. as their base text. These newer translations become responsible for the spread of the word “homosexual” throughout a multitude of new passages.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10389180/plotsummary?ref_=tt_stry_pl


3 posted on 06/07/2021 1:03:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Working on additional info on the verse in question. Suffice to say the movie is in error.


4 posted on 06/07/2021 1:04:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Red Badger

Homosexuality is an abomination before God AND a sexual perversion.


30 posted on 06/07/2021 1:32:22 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Red Badger; ealgeone

The word “homosexual” was invented in the 1800s, so this claim is just completely incorrect:

“In the summer of 2017, Kathy and Ed’s research* led them to Yale University, where they were the first two people to investigate what caused the 1946 R.S.V.** translation team - the first team in all of history - to use the word “homosexual” in any language. The translation team under the supervision of Dr. Luther Weigle combined two Greek words in the Biblical passage I Corinthians 6:9-10, “Malakoi” and “Arsenokoitai”, resulting in the modern term, “homosexual”.

It makes it sound like the RSV Bible translators came up with the word. This is from Wikipedia:

“The first known appearance of homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet by the Austrian-born novelist Karl-Maria Kertbeny, published anonymously,[27] arguing against a Prussian anti-sodomy law.[27][28] In 1886, the psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing used the terms homosexual and heterosexual in his book Psychopathia Sexualis. Krafft-Ebing’s book was so popular among both laymen and doctors that the terms heterosexual and homosexual became the most widely accepted terms for sexual orientation.[29][30] As such, the current use of the term has its roots in the broader 19th-century tradition of personality taxonomy.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Etymology


39 posted on 06/07/2021 1:39:18 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Willing to die for Christ, if it's His will--politics should prepare people for the Gospel)
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To: Red Badger

If the word ‘homosexual’ was never used in all history and only came into being in 1946, what was used before?

The righter is equating the use of the term homosexual was the first time that homosexuality was condemned in the Bible.

The righter is full of sh*t and is only trying to lead weak people astray. We are all sinners before God and are only saved by Jesus Christ. Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. She was not condemned by Jesus but saved from certain death. Jesus did NOT tell her that he is okay with her sin, it is not really hurting anyone, that she was born this way, and He knows she loves Him so it is okay! He did tell her to go and sin no more.

The sinner is not condemned but the behavior is. Heaven is not a club but a place where only a few will be redeemed.


84 posted on 06/07/2021 5:16:39 PM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOW)
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To: Red Badger

So who uses the RSV???

King James is a solid academic translation


86 posted on 06/07/2021 5:22:52 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Red Badger
" sincere, convicted spiritually reborn Chirstian who has discovered himself to be of homosexual inclination from the time of his memory."

If so then you find deliverance or live in continency (you will not die), like as others who have defects due to the Fall and hereditary must.

99 posted on 06/07/2021 7:18:08 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Red Badger

The dominant belief that The Law, including the Commandments were “nailed to the Cross’ would necessarily make it so the actions banned by it, were now forgiven if you only accept Christs sacrifice. If you can claim one of the 10 null and void, then all must also be forgiven if one only accepts the gift of forgiveness and is sprinkled with a little water.

That would mean that to live as a homosexual or deviant, is just another choice and the Church has no business banning that which Christ forgives.

I don’t believe that myself, but it is logical.


108 posted on 06/07/2021 10:20:37 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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