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1 posted on 06/07/2021 12:57:35 PM PDT by ealgeone
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Not even The Oprah is buying this crap.

2 posted on 06/07/2021 1:02:29 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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MORE FROM IMDB:

Synopsis
1946 reveals the ground-breaking research of Kathy Baldock, a Christian Conservative LGBTQIA+ activist and Ed Oxford, an LGBTQIA+ theologian, in their quest to, discover what factors ignited the anti-gay movement within American conservative Christians. The filmmaker, Sharon “Rocky” Roggio, started this pursuit in an effort to find common ground, within scripture, for her and her conservative father, Pastor Sal Roggio. What has been discovered along the way stands the chance to profoundly change the language of inclusion and to better the lives of both conservative Christians and the LGBTQIA+ people they love. The removal of the LGBTQIA+ person from the sin category is akin to this century’s abolition of racial discrimination and the passing of women’s suffrage. There are two sides of history to stand on.

C.S. Lewis said, “You can’t go back and change the beginning, but you can start where you are and change the ending.”

Kathy Baldock, a straight ally, Christian LGBTQIA+ activist, and leading expert on LGBTQIA+ issues in the United States along with Ed Oxford, an LGBTQIA+ Christian researcher and a Masters of Divinity graduate of Talbot School of Theology, have been seeking to answer these questions and more. They are currently in the process of writing, FORGING A SACRED WEAPON: HOW THE BIBLE BECAME ANTI-GAY, by tracing the creation of anti-gay theology in America and analyzing how the Bible has been weaponized against LGBTQIA+ people.

In the summer of 2017, Kathy and Ed’s research* led them to Yale University, where they were the first two people to investigate what caused the 1946 R.S.V.** translation team - the first team in all of history - to use the word “homosexual” in any language. The translation team under the supervision of Dr. Luther Weigle combined two Greek words in the Biblical passage I Corinthians 6:9-10, “Malakoi” and “Arsenokoitai”, resulting in the modern term, “homosexual”. After prolonged research, Kathy and Ed discovered a letter penned by a 21-year old seminary student known as David S. David writes in 1959:

“I write this letter after many months of serious thought and hard work, partly to point out that which to me is a serious weakness in translation, but more because of my deep concern for those who are wronged and slandered by the incorrect usage of this word. Since this is a Holy Book of Scripture sacred to the Christians, I am the more deeply concerned because well meaning and sincere, but misinformed and misguided people (those among the clergy not excluded) may use this Revised Standard Version as a sacred weapon, not in fact for the purification of the church, but in fact for injustice against a defenseless minority group which includes the sincere, convicted spiritually reborn Chirstian who has discovered himself to be of homosexual inclination from the time of his memory. I write this letter with certain homosexual individuals in mind - Chrisitans who would die for their faith, their church, and their lord but who cannot alter their biological state of being. I hope that the committee responsible for considering any possible corrections or revisions of the R.S.V. text may take my case here presented into consideration.”

Additional correspondence between David S. and Dr. Weigle had the profound effect of changing Dr. Weigle’s position; the R.S.V. translation team did in fact replace the word “homosexual” in 1st Corinthians 6:9-10 to “sexual perverts.” Unfortunately, due to poor timing, the change did not take effect in the R.S.V.-Revised until 1971. By then, 25 years had past, and the damage was done. Three other independent teams were already working on other Bible translations, each using the 1946 R.S.V. as their base text. These newer translations become responsible for the spread of the word “homosexual” throughout a multitude of new passages.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10389180/plotsummary?ref_=tt_stry_pl


3 posted on 06/07/2021 1:03:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (Jesus said there is no marriage in Heaven. That's why they call it Heaven.....................)
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To: ealgeone

Lies throughout the article. They keep calling her a conservative, for the sole purpose of being propaganda.


5 posted on 06/07/2021 1:05:14 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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Also, the word “not” in the various commandments is an editorial interpolation and should be removed at once.


6 posted on 06/07/2021 1:05:48 PM PDT by madprof98
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“It is my goal to change the Christian narrative and liberate the many LGBTQ people living in the dark; oppressed by bad theology.”

Romans 1:26-28:
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Decide for yourselves.


7 posted on 06/07/2021 1:05:59 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti)
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To: ealgeone
AN ALERT

This is a new movie that is attempting to say the word homosexual is a mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9.

This is just another attempt by Satan to distort the Word of God in an attempt to "justify" the chosen sinful lifestyles of homosexuals and lesbians...and who knows what else.

*****

The verse in question in English and Greek with the key word bolded:

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,

As rendered in the Greek. ἢ οὐκ οἴδατε ὅτι ἄδικοι θεοῦ βασιλείαν οὐ κληρονομήσουσιν; Μὴ πλανᾶσθε· οὔτε πόρνοι οὔτε εἰδωλολάτραι οὔτε μοιχοὶ οὔτε μαλακοὶ οὔτε ἀρσενοκοῖται

Every Greek manuscript has the word ἀρσενοκοῖται.

The word means:

733 arsenokoítēs (from 730 /árrhēn, "a male" and 2845 /koítē, "a mat, bed") – properly, a man in bed with another man; a homosexual.

Combine this with Romans 1:26-27

26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. (NASB)

The only error being made is on the part of the people producing this mess.

The Bible is consistent on this issue. God created Adam and Eve and sanctioned marriage between only one man and one woman.

Anything else is a lie out of the pit.

8 posted on 06/07/2021 1:09:22 PM PDT by ealgeone
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God uses plain words. The devil uses sophistry.


9 posted on 06/07/2021 1:10:44 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (No audit. No peace.)
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The filmmaker, Sharon “Rocky” Roggio, right:


15 posted on 06/07/2021 1:20:38 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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Good grief. If they don’t like what the Bible says, then they should go start their own religion. Why do they always try to twist mine? There are plenty other ones to pick from as well.


19 posted on 06/07/2021 1:23:02 PM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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“LGBTQIA+”


Certainly there are some important letters that are being left out! You can’t get away with the omission by just adding a ‘+’. If it were that simple we could get by with just G+. Show us those letters!
/s


21 posted on 06/07/2021 1:24:54 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: ealgeone

Article would benefit from a bit of journalistic fundamentalism:

1.who
2.what
3.where
4.why

If a journalist writes an article describing what the heck is going on here, I hope someone posts it.


27 posted on 06/07/2021 1:30:38 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: ealgeone

Kind of hard to miss the point of the story of Sodom & Gomorrah. I believe that was decidedly pre-1946.


31 posted on 06/07/2021 1:32:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus (Jesus, Rex Universalis)
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Yeah, because nobody had a problem with it before 1946. /s

How stupid do these people think we are? It was a _crime_ in most places well before (and after) 1946. Alan Turing went to jail for being a poofter. smh

35 posted on 06/07/2021 1:35:46 PM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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" . . . to discover what factors ignited the anti-gay movement within American conservative Christians."

The "anti-gay movement" arose in response to the militant, anti-Christian LGBTQ movement. From the outset, Christianity opposed homosexuality and other forms of sexual vice; it was not something added centuries later through a "mistranslation."
46 posted on 06/07/2021 1:54:13 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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The Future Belongs to the Righteous.


49 posted on 06/07/2021 1:59:16 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees)
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The Future Belongs to the Righteous.


50 posted on 06/07/2021 1:59:17 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees)
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They appear to be referring to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10:

6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Seems pretty clear.


58 posted on 06/07/2021 2:25:17 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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"A journey which unveils the mystery of how theology, history, culture, and politics led to a Biblical mistranslation, the man who tried to stop it, and the impassioned academic crusade of the LGBTQIA+ Christian community-driven to discover the truth. 1946 reveals the ground-breaking research of Kathy Baldock, a Christian Conservative LGBTQIA+ activist and Ed Oxford, an LGBTQIA+ theologian, in their quest to, discover what factors ignited the anti-gay movement within American conservative Christians. The filmmaker, Sharon “Rocky” Roggio, started this pursuit in an effort to find common ground, within scripture, for her and her conservative father, Pastor Sal Roggio. What has been discovered along the way stands the chance to profoundly change the language of inclusion and to better the lives of both conservative Christians and the LGBTQIA+ people they love. The removal of the LGBTQIA+ person from the sin category is akin to this century’s abolition of racial discrimination and the passing of women’s suffrage."

This is one logical fallacy after another, akin to "meat-eating vegetarians." There simply is no "LGBTQIA+ Christian community," or "Christian Conservative LGBTQIA+ activist," but which untenable marriage is driven by the quest to negate the Biblical injunctions against homosexual marriage and even assert sanction of the same.

Religion is the bedrock of homophobia and transphobia across the world and fundamentalist Christianity is one of the most deadly.

Meaning misusing the word homophobia* to stigmatize and intimidate" anyone who opposes what God does and supports Biblical morality.

God made man and women distinctively different yet uniquely compatible and complementary, and only joined them together in marriage - as the Lord Jesus Himself specified (Mt. 19:4–6) - and Scripture only condemns homosexual relations wherever they are manifestly dealt with. Yet there is still room at the cross for all who will come to God in repentance and faith, and trust in the Divine Son of God sent by the Father, the risen Lord Jesus, to save them on His account, by His sinless shed blood, and thus be baptized and live for Him. Acts 10:36-47

* The term “homophobia” does not accurately define any and all persons who do not approve of homosexual relationships or homosexuals any more than a person is necessarily ombrophobia if he/she does not like going out in the rain, or anthophobic if he does not like flowers, places outdoors, and to label all who like to stay inside as agoraphobia would be wrong.

Nor are all those listed in endless but extensive lists of phobias necessarily a bad thing, but a "phobia is a type of anxiety disorder defined by a persistent and excessive fear of an object or situation...Those affected will go to great lengths to avoid the situation or object, to a degree greater than the actual danger posed. If the object or situation cannot be avoided, they experience significant distress." (Phobia - Wikipedia) "A phobia is an overwhelming and debilitating fear of an object, place, situation, feeling or animal." (Overview - Phobias) "A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder that causes an individual to experience extreme, irrational fear about a situation, living creature, place, or object." (Phobias: Symptoms, types, causes, and treatment)

“an intense, persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, situation, or person that manifests in physical symptoms such as sweating, trembling, rapid heartbeat, or shortness of breath, and that motivates avoidance behavior." - Definition of phobia | Dictionary.com; "Phobia, an extreme, irrational fear of a specific object or situation." - Phobia | psychology; A phobia is a type of anxiety disorder. It is a strong, irrational fear of something that poses little or no real danger...People with phobias try to avoid what they are afraid of. If they cannot, they may experience Panic and fear Rapid heartbeat Shortness of breath Trembling A strong desire to get away. - Phobias | MentalHealth.gov; "phobia - an anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of simple things or social situations." - phobia.

And while it has come to be used more broadly, it actually means fear, not mere dislike. Etymologically,

"irrational fear, horror, or aversion; fear of an imaginary evil or undue fear of a real one," 1786, perhaps based on a similar use in French, abstracted from compounds in -phobia, the word-forming element from Greek phobos "fear, panic fear, terror, outward show of fear; object of fear or terror," originally "flight" (still the only sense in Homer), but it became the common word for "fear" via the notion of "panic flight" (compare phobein "put to flight; frighten"), from PIE root *bhegw- "to run" (source also of Lithuanian bėgu, bėgti "to flee;" Old Church Slavonic begu "flight," bezati "to flee, run;" Old Norse bekkr "a stream"). The psychological sense of "an abnormal or irrational fear" is attested by 1895. Hence also Phobos as the name of the inner satellite of Mars (discovered 1877) and named for Phobos, the personification of fear, in mythology a companion of Ares. - Origin and meaning of phobia by Online Etymology Dictionary

In contrast, by God's grace - and as a sinner saved by grace - I (as with many other evangelicals) for years I have sought to outreach and help all sorts of people, from Hell's Angels to homosexuals, and give a gospel tract (and sometimes food) but the latter tend to want to avoid me once they understand I implicitly represent a threat to their lifestyle.

However, "homophobic" falls under "Non-medical, deterrent and political use" as the word is abused in assigning that label to any and all who oppose of even will not affirm homosexual relations and hold that the condition behind such is disordered.

And thus its typical use is indeed a psychological tactic designed to intimidate and silence opposition to the same - however conscientious - by placing them the defensive via charging them with being possessed by an irrational fear. Which plays off of a social phobia phobia, that of katagelophobia = fear of ridicule, being maligned by the prohomosexual lobby as being irrational, backwards, etc, and thus those who are intimidated by such could be the ones called homophobic.

And it is not simply some poster as me that objects to the use of homophobia, but scholars*

And which tactic follows (knowingly or not) the strategy set for in the book "After the Ball" years ago by two homosexual Harvard-trained graduates, Marshall Kirk (1957–2005), a researcher in neuropsychiatry, and Hunter Madsen (pen name Erastes Pill) whose social marketing advocated avoiding portraying gays as aggressive challengers, but as victims instead, while making all those who opposed them to be evil persecutors.

Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered, hysterical backwoods preachers, menacing punks, and a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. Thus, "propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths..."[58] " It can show them being criticized, hated, shunned. It can depict gays experiencing horrific suffering as the direct result of homohatred-suffering of which even most bigots would be ashamed to be the cause. It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scary... our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof."

Moreover, as for fear, there should be a healthy fear of the unhealthy effects of sodomy. For

according to the CDC (chart), in 2017 male to male sexual contact was the mode of transmission in 93% of new HIV cases among male youth aged 13 to 24, and MSM accounted for 82% of diagnoses among males and 70% of all new HIV diagnoses, and 2 out of every 3 diagnoses in the United States. Which is despite only representing approximately 4% of the male population). . Also, "transgender women [worldwide] are 49 times more likely to have HIV than other adults of reproductive age." (Transgender people)

And which practice is primarily responsible for more than 700,000 people with AIDS having died since the beginning of the epidemic - despite decades of attempting to tame it into being "safe." (Worldwide, 77.3 million people have contracted HIV and 35.4 million have died of AIDS-related illnesses since the beginning of the pandemic in 1981: https://health.usnews.com/conditions/hiv-aids/articles/hiv-statistics.)

Also "STIs and their complications amount to about $16 billion annually in direct medical costs. HIV imposes the largest financial burden, costing $12.6 billion in direct medical costs, followed by HPV at $1.7 billion, chlamydia at $156.7 million, gonorrhea at $162.1 million, and syphilis at $39.9 million." (https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/STI-brief.pdf)

More.

*scholars such as Beverly A. Greene and Gregory M Herek in Lesbian and Gay Psychology (pp. 27,28) who stated:

...as Herek (1986a) notes, the term itself is unfortunate. Technically, homophobia means fear of sameness, yet its usage implies a fear of homosexuals. Although negativity toward gay men and lesbians is no doubt based on fear to some extent, the –phobia suffix implies a specific kind of fear—one that is irrational and characterized by a desire to remove oneself from the object of the fear. Because some people labeled homophobic not only fail to avoid homosexuals but also seek them out to harass and physically assault them, this term does not accurately rep-resent negativity toward gay persons (cf. Herek, 1986a). In addition, because such fear-based reactions to homosexuals appear to be more common among males than females (Herek, 1986b; Morin & Garfinkle, 1978), the term may be more applicable to heterosexual men than to heterosexual women. Another problem is that attitudes toward gay men and lesbians are likely to be multifaceted and complex (e.g., Millham, San Miguel, & Kel-logg, 1976; Plasek & Allard, 1984; Weinberger & Millham, 1979), and holding negative attitudes toward homosexuality likely serves different functions for different people (Herek, 1986a). Hence fear or aversion may comprise one component of beliefs about homosexuality, but other fac-tors are unquestionably important.

Several alternative terms have been offered to better reflect the ante-cedents of prejudicial attitudes toward gay men and lesbians and to sidestep the problems inherent with the term homophobia. These include homonegativism (Hudson & Ricketts, 1980), homosexism (Hansen, 1982), and heterosexism (Herek, 1986a). Unfortunately, none has gained wide-spread acceptance.

Then in in the Journal of applied Psychology, Gary Colwell wrote,

The charge of homophobia, indiscriminately made in a large part of our Western culture today, is ill conceived, illogical and false. This sweeping charge may be pictured as a triangle of informal logical fallacies. The more prominent side, the one which the general public encounters first, is what I shall call the fallacy of turning the tables: the rhetorical device of making the source of criticism the object of criticism. The other side of the charge is the fallacy of equivocation. The boundary of the term 'homophobia' is made so elastic that it can stretch around, not just phobias, but every kind of rational fear as well; and not just around every kind of fear, but also around every critical posture or idea that anyone may have about the practice of homosexuality. At the base of the charge, and undergirding the other two fallacies, is the fallacy of begging the question. A commitment to the complete acceptability of the practice of homosexuality enables its proponents to 'know' beforehand that all criticisms against it must originate in the defective psychology of the critic. (Journal of applied Psychology, Vol. 16, No. 3, 1999; Turning the Tables with 'Homophobia' on JSTOR)

66 posted on 06/07/2021 3:19:07 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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"in their quest to, discover what factors ignited the anti-gay movement within American conservative Christians."

I guess they missed the part where God burned two cities to death for practicing homosexuality.

I guess they missed the part where all the tribes of Israel slew every man in the city of Benjamin because they had engaged in homosexuality.

I guess they missed the part where it specifically says that homosexuals should be killed. (Leviticus, I think.)

And so they are wondering why people who actually read the bible have animosity towards the sodomites?

Yeah, it's a big mystery all right.

69 posted on 06/07/2021 3:50:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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There is an excellent sermon-length refutation of this nonsense available on YouTube. Dr. James White does a great job explaining how this "new" information is completely without merit. Here's the link:

https://youtu.be/qakrIlHHJCA

71 posted on 06/07/2021 4:06:40 PM PDT by JHL
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