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Disrupting harmful food systems to prevent future pandemics
UCSC Newscenter ^ | March 11, 2021 | Allison Arteaga Soergel

Posted on 03/13/2021 11:13:50 AM PST by artichokegrower

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To: artichokegrower

“Assistant Professor of Environmental Studies Maywa Montenegro de Wit...”

Bio (https://ourenvironment.berkeley.edu/people/maywa-montenegro) says “I am a US-Dutch-Peruvian citizen who grew up in Appalachia...”

Something tells me her people have a long history of scratching unsuccessfully in the dirt with sticks trying to get food to grow.


41 posted on 03/13/2021 3:11:22 PM PST by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Sadly, our garden capabilities where we now live at in the American Redoubt are extremely limited by the growing season. Trying work around.


42 posted on 03/13/2021 3:19:39 PM PST by Godzilla (Never give up, never surrender . . . . . .)
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To: Pollard

No, you had a good post that I want to read later


43 posted on 03/13/2021 3:19:43 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: artichokegrower

But it’s their culture you racist


44 posted on 03/13/2021 3:23:54 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: ctdonath2

And the darned peppers take weeks to sprout, too!


45 posted on 03/13/2021 3:35:07 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: artichokegrower
agroecology, food sovereignty
Overeducated and not enough unlearned.

I'd bet this moron couldn't explain why her local Trader Joes always has her favorite granola in stock.

Hint: it has nothing to do with "agroecology" or "food sovereignty"... and everything to do with capitalism.
46 posted on 03/13/2021 4:08:42 PM PST by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: 9YearLurker
9YearLurker :" Only soybeans for the peasants! "

Right - soybeans, pinto beans, peas - as member of the Legume family are high in fiber and easy to grow.
Some of the varieties can be trained to grow on a trellis of string, wire, fencing and can be grown vertically to conserve space especially in a small garden area.
Since they are high in fiber, it satisfies an appetite and makes you feel full; many diets use beans, corn, and rice to nutritiously satiate an appetite.
Same with curcubits, can be trellis trained- squash, cucumber, pumpkins, zucchini, gourds, etc.,etc.
And we haven't even gotten into root crops, interplanting crops, or companion planting, etc. in relation to food security.

47 posted on 03/13/2021 4:34:10 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: DuncanWaring
DuncanWaring :" And the darned peppers take weeks to sprout, too! "

Peppers and tomatoes germinate quicker if given bottom heat ; for example: a heating pad, hot water bottle (requires frequent changes/ labor intensive)
or any means to raise the soil temperature to approximately 80 degrees, even a warm window sill in the sun.

48 posted on 03/13/2021 4:40:06 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

True - but, even so, peppers still take much longer to sprout than tomatoes.


49 posted on 03/13/2021 4:41:15 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: artichokegrower

Stepping stone to the collective farming imperative.

Unionized.

Big guy gets a cut.


50 posted on 03/13/2021 4:45:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("One steps out with actresses, one doesn't marry them."—Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh)
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To: Godzilla
Godzilla :" Sadly, our garden capabilities where we now live at in the American Redoubt are extremely limited by the growing season. Trying work around. "

Almost all crucifers do well in cooler temps , or even short season climates; also, they can be grown in partial shade.
Consider all lettuces, most greens, spinach, peas, beans, and root crops
Also, the use of black plastic will heat up the soil and give you a 10 degree jump, or even use row covers to extend the season longer.

Have you heard of a "Cold Frame", to germinate seeds or extend growing season ?
Well, if you can build a cold frame, then add a hot manure (ie: horse, or chicken) below the base of the cold frame, it will give off heat as the manure oxidizes.
The further below and deeper to the base of the cold frame,.. the less fragrance !
(see below - a forgotten method used by our ancestors)

" How to Use Manure to Turn a Cold Frame into a Hotbed "
http://www.groworganic.com/blogs/articles/use-manure-to-turn-a-cold-frame-into-a-hotbed

51 posted on 03/13/2021 5:04:10 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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See post #51 "Making a cold frame into a Hotbed "

DuncanWaring :" True - but, even so, peppers still take much longer to sprout than tomatoes."

True peppers seem to take longer, and hot peppers seem to take longer because they have been bred from cultivers from hotter and more tropical climates.
Consider having a cold frame/ hotbed (with manure) to extend a most productive or appreciated pepper,.. or tomato plant.
Find someone who is throwing out a window and sash and you can build it 'on the cheap', for just the wood to form the box structure.

52 posted on 03/13/2021 5:17:25 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Pollard

“Just need one out of every 100 people to grow enough for 100 people.”

And if they fail, 100 suffer.

This is why capitalism rewards those who can RELIABLY produce food in large quantities.


53 posted on 03/13/2021 5:29:17 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

You’re talking about resourceful self-reliance and I’m talking about what will be allowed and issued to less than self-reliant peasants while they are still littering our country.


54 posted on 03/13/2021 5:42:27 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: artichokegrower

The ultimate goal is to replace western culture with sub-saharan primitiveness!


55 posted on 03/13/2021 6:14:21 PM PST by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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And when every comrade is given a small bag of beans and told to grow them “for food sovereignty” with a list of ecology-friendly high-tech directions (subject to re-education camp if compliance proves difficult), how many of those comrades will be alive the next year to share the redistributed harvest?

Deliberate or not, this is a means to solve the supply-and-demand problem by aggressively, yet indirectly, reducing demand by large percentages (seeing as supply falters when starved of profit).


56 posted on 03/13/2021 6:34:19 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The claim of consensus is the first refuge of scoundrels.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Yep looking at cold season crops like that. Going to build a hoop greenhouse over our garden boxes. Have to watch it since our official growing season is only 81 days. (Heavy snow in summer not uncommon). Working to start plants in 5he house first. But nothin* like our year round garden in kalifornia


57 posted on 03/13/2021 7:35:17 PM PST by Godzilla (Never give up, never surrender . . . . . .)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt; All

I like the heirlooms, because you can save the seeds from your own produce and plant them the next year, in case there is a shortage or delivery problems. We rarely do hybrids.

Hubby and I turned in our seed order long ago and received it. Another thing I usually do, and just did, is to order the half price veggie sampler - 13 varieties for 7 bucks. Some are heirlooms and the rest are regular hybrids that I am familiar with.

I will not mess with GMO crap. I also plant extra garlic and potatoes, so that I’ll have some for planting the next season, and I save the seeds for the heirlooms that we grow.

Mostly we order from Baker’s Creek - headquartered in MO. Sometimes we buy from Johnny’s, Territorial Seed, and Southern Exposure Seed Exchange.


58 posted on 03/14/2021 12:19:04 AM PST by greeneyes ( Moderation In Pursuit of Justice is NO Virtue--LET FREEDOM RING)
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ctdonath2 :" Deliberate or not, this is a means to solve the supply-and-demand problem by aggressively, yet indirectly,
reducing demand by large percentages (seeing as supply falters when starved of profit). "

Quite true, especially the last part of your last sentence (seeing as supply falters when starved of profit). "
As I recall, when the State orders you to to sell product at a financial loss (ie.: the State imposed rate), you loose out not only $$ financially, but also you loose incentive.
The State decree forces you to loose faith in yourself and the State, and your own productivity; it's a "two-fer" of imposed control by the State.
When you loose faith, it is only a matter of time before you loose hope, ..and then become totally submissive.
This is an example of how incremental State imposed power and control leads to population submission.

59 posted on 03/14/2021 8:36:47 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: microgood

I remember studying that project. So many mistakes, at every possible stage! Even the building materials worked against them, with the concrete absorbing so much CO2 that the plants couldn’t turn it into oxygen.

I was designing self-sufficient space colonies at age 16, that I’m still certain would’ve outperformed BS2 if I could have gotten the funding to build them.


60 posted on 03/14/2021 11:09:23 AM PDT by Ellendra (A single lie on our side does more damage than a thousand lies on their side.)
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