Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Trump's Senate Trial Rests on the Claim that He Lied About Vote Fraud, He Didn't
Townhall.com ^ | February 10, 2021 | John Lott Jr

Posted on 02/10/2021 5:06:53 AM PST by Kaslin

Former-president Donald Trump’s Senate trial for his January 6 speech “inciting” a riot at the US Capitol rests on the claim that he lied about vote fraud in the November election. Put aside that Trump asked “everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically, make your voices heard." That he only wanted them to show their support for legislators who were supporting him. That the assault on the Capitol's security lines started before Trump began speaking.

While Trump’s questioning the integrity of the November election “incited” violence, President Biden can liken Senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to Nazi Joseph Goebbels or numerous times falsely label his political opponents as racists, but, of course, that isn’t inciting violence.

Yet, despite the media continually labeling claims of any election fraud or significant fraud as “false,” there is a lot of evidence of significant vote fraud. What has been misleading are the claims that the courts have examined this evidence.

Courts have frequently rejected Republican challenges to the 2020 presidential vote because they want evidence that a case involves enough fraud to alter the vote's outcome in a particular state. Republicans argue that since their observers couldn't watch the vote count, they can't provide that evidence and have asked for discovery. Still, while the courts have agreed that irregularities have occurred, they weren't willing to grant discovery unless Republicans first present enough evidence of fraud to overturn the election. Republicans thus faced a kind of Catch 22.

Concerns over fraud with absentee ballots is not something limited to Republicans in the United States. Indeed, many European countries have much stricter voting rules to prevent fraud. For example, 74% entirely ban absentee voting for citizens who live in their country. Another 6% allow it, but have very restrictive rules, such as limiting it to those in the military or are in a hospital, and they require evidence for this. Another 15% allow absentee ballots but require that one present a photo voter ID to acquire it. 35% of European countries ban entirely absentee ballots for even those living outside their country. The pattern is similar for developed countries.

Given all the concerns about vote fraud with absentee ballots, why did Democrats push to have absentee ballots counted without verifying signatures? Why did Democrat counties go to such efforts to keep observers from observing either the opening of absentee ballots or their counting? In courts, such actions are allowed in as evidence and referred to as evidence of a “guilty mind.”

According to the Chair of the Georgia Republican Party, David J. Shafer, "counting of ballots took place in secret after Republican Party observers were dismissed because they were advised that the tabulation center was shutting down for the night." In Pittsburgh, observers were at least 15 to 20 feet away from the counting. At other times, they were at least 100 feet away. As one poll-watcher in Pittsburgh notes, observers had "no ability to watch anything." Similar problems arose in other places such as Philadelphia, Detroit, and Milwaukee. 

Many other violations of rules occurred. For example, in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, voters with invalid mail-in/absentee ballots received a notification and were allowed to correct that defect using a provisional ballot on Election day. In contrast, election officials in Republican-leaning counties followed election law more strictly and did not give voters similar notifications with invalid mail-in/absentee ballots.

A court case in Georgia Fulton County Superior Court brought by State Republican Chairman David Shafer and President Donald Trump discovered hundreds of thousands of extra votes: 40,279 people who had moved counties without re-registering; 4,926 voters who had registered in another state after they registered in Georgia; 305,701 people who, according to state records, applied for an absentee ballot past the deadline; 66,247 under 17 years of age; and so on. In Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 28,395 people allegedly voted without identification. Similar problems existed in other Democratic-controlled counties.

Again, it is important to remember that the courts never looked at any of these problems and never granted discovery.

Vote fraud can increase voter turnout rate. Increased fraud can take many forms: higher rates of filling out absentee ballots for people who hadn't voted, dead people voting, ineligible people voting, or even increased payments to encourage legally registered people to vote. 

In recent research, I found that while heavily Republican counties had a much higher turnout this election compared to 2016, heavily Democrat counties generally didn't. The exception was in heavily Democrat counties where vote fraud was alleged to occur. Even after also accounting for county demographics, my estimates indicate 70,000 to 79,000 "excess" votes in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Adding in Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin, the total increases to up to 289,000 excess votes.

There was also strong evidence that voters in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, were allowed to correct defects in absentee ballots using a provisional ballot on Election day – implying an additional 6,700 votes for Biden. Other evidence points in the same direction but is not consistently statistically significant.

Suppose Biden and other Democrats really want to unify the country and heal the wounds. They should avoid the political theater of impeaching someone who is no longer president and offer to investigate whether vote fraud occurred. They should have nothing to fear if they are right that there is no evidence of fraud.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bidenadmin; electionfraud; impeachment20; impeachtrumptrial; trumpadministration; voterfraud

1 posted on 02/10/2021 5:06:53 AM PST by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

It will rest on how may are traitorous idiots or not.


2 posted on 02/10/2021 5:08:27 AM PST by BEJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

I wish John Lott was still on FR.


3 posted on 02/10/2021 5:10:39 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Only a moronic, suicidal group would try a Great Purge 2021 on an armed American. We're ready!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
The sham impeachment “trial” is going nowhere.
Its a Stalinist Soviet style show trial.
Only difference it will end with the Dems losing again, just like they lost the last time.
4 posted on 02/10/2021 5:11:29 AM PST by SmokingJoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SmokingJoe

Someone tell the Dumbs that impeachment means removal.


5 posted on 02/10/2021 5:23:27 AM PST by bray (Pray for fake President Biden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bray
Someone tell the Dumbs that impeachment means removal.

Well the Dumbs can always do what the British did to Oliver Cromwell.
Someone forgot to tell the British you can't execute someone who is already dead.
Chuckle!

January 30, 1661: Oliver Cromwell Executed Two Years After Death!
Major Dan By MAJOR DAN January 30, 2014 197 Comments

On January 30, 1661, Oliver Cromwell, former Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland, was removed from his grave and “executed” 2 years after his death!

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/january-30-1661-cromwell-executed-two-years-death/

6 posted on 02/10/2021 5:37:18 AM PST by SmokingJoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Yet, despite the media continually labeling claims of any election fraud or significant fraud as “false,” there is a lot of evidence of significant vote fraud. What has been misleading are the claims that the courts have examined this evidence.

And until there is then Trump's supporters can state that the fraud claims are true all they want and they will continue to be dismissed. Because it's only their claims.

Vote fraud was alleged by Trump in the 2016 election and the 2018 election yet no investigation was done by the Justice Department, no indictments were filed or people arrested or trials and convictions obtained. Had Trump done so then maybe the vote fraud would not have been as wide-spread as alleged and maybe Trump would still be in office. But he didn't.

7 posted on 02/10/2021 5:44:38 AM PST by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

8 posted on 02/10/2021 5:58:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee

Because they were driving the van.


9 posted on 02/10/2021 6:04:57 AM PST by bray (Pray for fake President Biden)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: BEJ

Baloney, this is a sham trial that means nothing. It highlights how evil the RAT Party is and the backstabbing, cowards in the GOPee Senate. That’s about it. The fact that John Roberts is not the judge of this hoax shows that it is a meaningless waste of time and tax payer money. What’s next?


10 posted on 02/10/2021 6:38:14 AM PST by abbastanza
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: abbastanza
Well I'm looking beyond this circus at other possibilities ahead........

So let's say that world leaders are also afraid of just seeing Biden as an interim President between two terms of Trump as they suspect Biden will be only there for one term.....and Trump win in 2024 which they don't want to see.

Ok lets say they Impeach Trump and he can't run in 2024....who else are the Demorats and world leaders afraid of?????.... well from what I'm hearing overseas they're afraid Pompeo would run and actually continue Trumps policies. Which is an interesting thought. Either or the buzz abroad is anything Biden does will be temporary and the next President will be Trump or Pompeo....

11 posted on 02/10/2021 6:53:55 AM PST by caww (“For the people” and “For the children” - signals we're about to be scammed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
President Trump has options to turn this circus into a sh[t show.

1) Call out Harris for not being a Natural Born Citizen as defined in Sen. Resolution 511 (2008). Neither of her parents were ‘... American citizen parents’ at her birth. Do so by asking for the names of her American citizen parents, as noticed in the Resolution.

see - link regarding NBC

2) If they still want to impeach someone, call out Obama for not being a Natural Born Citizen and remove the 44th President from history by impeachment.

3) Then suggest they impeach Joe Biden for election fraud for accepting an unqualified VP as running mate. Then they can impeach every Senator who voted to confirm Harris or Obama on election fraud grounds.

4) Have the FEC de-certify the Democrat National Committee as an on-going criminal enterprise for proposing unqualified candidates in past elections. Overnite all the (D)s become (I)s.

5) Challenge the seats of all members of Congress who voted to certify Gropin’ Joe and Kamalatoes and remove the ones elected in fraud-ridden elections.

6) After the trial, put up a ‘Help Wanted’ with the thought of firing and replacing 2/3 of all non-military federal workers. That would include the entire FBI, DOJ, and the arrest of all CIA operatives found stateside.

You can find the meaning of Natural Born Citizen here.

en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Statutes_at_Large/Volume_1/1st_Congress/2nd_Session/Chapter_3

Look for this part:

“And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, Also, children of citizens born beyond sea, &c. or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”

That seems to be a painfully clear definition of what was meant by “Natural Born Citizen” to me; that regardless of location of birth, American kids belong to their parents. Just as foreign kids belong to their parents regardless of location of birth.

There you have it. THE GREAT RESET to MAGA!

12 posted on 02/10/2021 7:42:29 AM PST by RideForever (We are born to be tested ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

There is a reason for ‘tech inspection’ at race car events.


13 posted on 02/10/2021 9:22:03 AM PST by ridesthemiles ( )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson