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To: Bell Bouy II

Definitely not a pro either. I’m not sure who effed who here. Can someone dumb down an explanation for those of us who dont play the market? Is there a good guy/bad guy to this?


12 posted on 01/28/2021 1:56:04 PM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Magnum44

Big boys tried to F the little guy, not sure it worked out.
Big Boys are PO’ed little guy has same access to info they cornered for years.
will see


34 posted on 01/28/2021 2:04:36 PM PST by Bell Bouy II
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To: Magnum44; Bell Bouy II
The very generalized, 64,000 foot level look:

The "institutional" guys tried to crush GameStop.

In that process, normally, "retail" individuals who are long and not necessarily day traders, in turn get crushed.

What this group of "retail" traders did is band together to crush the hedge fund guys (to the tune of 5 billion in loses so far).

The hedge fund guys and their allies around Wall Street and in the media screamed bloody heck and got the SEC and many brokers (i.e. robinhood) to prevent individuals from buying any more stock and in some cases causing them to sell their stock.

So 1st - hedge funds in the process of crushing the little guys. Happens all the time. Few in the "professional" class bat an eye.
2nd - little guys fought back and tried to crush the hedge funds. An emerging phenomenon.
3rd - the financial leviathan fought back and is again trying to crush the little guys.

"Wall street" and the "professionals" are now trying to figure out how to prevent the little guys from being able to manipulate a stock...just like the big guys do a ALL THE TIME.

It could be looked at in this way: What has happened here is very similar to what happened with Trump. Politically, Trump was the little guys answer to the fed, whereas Economically, this GameStop episode is the little guys answer to the hedge funds.

What happens next will be interesting...

86 posted on 01/28/2021 3:19:07 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Magnum44
The hedge funds have their mouthpieces go out on the news and talk down a stock - the target. That target has already been shorted by the hedge funds. They tried this with GameStop but the Reddit kids gobbled up the stock and drove the price through the roof (the opposite of what the hedge fund talking head on TV does). The hedge funds were literally bleeding from their stops and the Reddit kids were looking at being the Nuevo Rich thanks to the upward momentum. Robin Hood (automated trading app) shut the buy down (along with every other brokerage house) and would only allow sells (downward momentum). Now Robinhood is forcibly selling their shares. IOW, the hedge funds manipulate the market every damn day so the Reddit kids manipulated it in their own favor and the Hedge Funds got their political puppets to screw the Reddit kids. Now it's coming out that Janet Yellen has profited (to the tune of 800k) off her speeches at one of the firms that had to bail out the others and rumor has it she had something to do with the call to shut the Reddit kids down. Phew.
117 posted on 01/28/2021 4:55:28 PM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: Magnum44

You can buy a stock you don’t own yet, and hope the price goes up, so you make money.

You can sell a stock you already own, hoping the price goes DOWN, so you don’t lose any money.

When you buy a stock, your risk is limited: you can only lose as much as you paid for the stock, they can’t come after you for anything else.

But if you have a brokerage account and they give you certain permissions (you have to have enough money and have a clue what you’re doing...)

You can short a stock.

That means, you BORROW some shares from the broker. You SELL the borrowed shares. You are hoping the stock prices goes DOWN.

When the stock price goes down, you buy the stock back at the lower price, and give those back to your brokerage. You get to keep the difference in price.

The risk in a short is, NOT just the amount the stock cost when you shorted it. What if the stock goes up? What if the stock was at $1 / share. So you borrowed and sold 2000 shares, for $2000. Great, when the stock goes to 50 cents, you buy it for $1000 (2000 shares times half-a-buck-per-share), and give the shares back, and you’ve made $1000.

Clear so far?

Now, what’s the risk in a short? Let’s say you sold 2000 borrowed shares for $1 apiece. Now let’s say that company announces they’ve discovered the cure for liberalism. Their stock goes to $1000 / share !! Now you have to come up with, $2, 000, 000 — a cool two million — to buy your 2,000 shares back.

In theory there is no limit to what you might owe, by shorting a stock.

Hang on, because it gets worse.

Now there are two kinds of shorts — not joking, despite the pun — regular and naked. In a regular short, your broker actually has the shares to borrow. In a naked short, they’ve sold more shares than actually EXIST.

So when it comes time to buy them back — it’s like all 3 of the Three Stooges trying to go out the same door at the same time. EVERYBODY wants the stock. But there isn’t enough to go around. So the price goes UP. That makes all the people with shorts on the stock, go even FURTHER into debt. And so on.

(There’s a rule that you can’t buy back your shares in a short until the price temporarily drops a bit. So what does that rule do, if it just keeps going UP?)

But there’s one more nasty ingredient.

There are organizations called “hedge funds” — for rich people (net worth usually in the millions at least, or at least (say) $250,000 yr in income, sometimes more than that.) They are called “hedge funds” because they provide a hedge, a shelter, against risk and uncertainty.

Sometimes what the hedge funds do — and this is kinda near the border of what is legal — is, they see a stock of a weak company. And they informally say, “We iz ALL gonna short that stock at once, and drive the stock down, and that’ll bankrupt the company but make us rich, so YAY US!”

Some hedge funds tried to do this to GameStop. The rationale on the surface, was, hey, retail store + COVID == business sucks. But GameStop had two things.

Some e-commerce Fanbois who are gamers / weaponized autists, who know how to use every chink in the rules to win. So when the hedge funds said, “Let’s short GameStop” the autists said, F this S, we’re gonna buy and drive the price UP.

And the hedge funds (who were doing naked short selling) got caught with their pants down, bigtime. If you owe too much on a short, your brokerage fund, or bank or whatever, can FORCE-sell other stuff you own, to make sure you’re good for the money on the short. That happened to the hedge funds here: I’ve read anywhere from 6 to 14 BILLION in losses so far.

So now they’re squawking to the FTC and lawyers and Congress and everybody, “Waah! Those nasty redditors aren’t letting us bend the rules!”

Hilarity ensues.


128 posted on 01/28/2021 8:44:26 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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