Posted on 12/02/2020 9:35:39 AM PST by Kaslin
Yes, same here. I have been teetering on that fence for years as well, leaning more pro-Snowden than against.
Had he revealed information that put our troops in danger like, oh, I don’t know, the NYT did, I would feel differently. But, giving up our disgusting, filthy, owned and operated by foreign interests “intelligence” agencies (how’s that for an oxymoron?), yup, he becomes a patriot.
The bad actors have no defenses. They’re thugs and criminals of the worst kind. They are not our protectors. They are our abusers. An unholy percentage of domestic abusers fool their victims into believing that their over-control is just because they’re so “protective”. You see, it’s for her own *good*.
One on one or on a grand scale, abuse is abuse. It thrives in secrecy. Abusers count on victims’ silence. This is especially true with children. Monsters threaten to kill their parents, even their pets, to keep the child victim quiet and obedient.
We are a nation of cowed victims, living in a giant defensive crouch, wearing our muzzles.
I hate going out in public. It’s like living in a f*****g Twilight Zone episode. And I’m in a red county in a red state with virtually no enforcement.
President Trump pushed back. Abusers don’t appreciate that. Snowden, a private citizen, pushing back was unthinkable. Assange has been like a gnat they could never swat away.
So, yes. Free Snowden, and Assange while we’re at it.
And for the love of gawd, Manafort. Not the most sympathetic character (neither was Blago) but, in no way deserving of the horrific treatment he has received. The guy is over 80. He didn’t do a damn thing that half of K Street doesn’t do every day.
“Snowden is a traitor who stole classified information “
The classified information was that the government was using the tools built to protect America from foreigners, and using them to illegally spy on the American people in the most deep and pervasive manner imaginable. Then they lied to Congress about it on TV.
Classification used to cover a massive illegal activity should always be exposed.
Well there you go talking through your hat - obviously you never worked in the Intel community and never at NSA. So you knowledge is limited by what you read in the MSN - which is always right and never lies or distorts, especially when it is encouraging people to betray the USA, as did your two heroes Loser Girl and Snowjob.
News flash: working in SAP area/projects is to be defending this country at the highest level of trust. The Constitution has nothing to do with the decision to betray the country. If you don’t like the job then quit.
Why do you believe all the MSN printed about these two jerks, but disbelieve it about the Election and DJT?
There is more than ample evidence that he had Chinese handlers, but most is classified, sorry. There was a trickle about his actual activities and his handlers in the public domain at the time. He took his data with him on thumb drives when he went to China - you do understand that the Chinese would not allow him asylum unless he gave them something important? They reneged on the deal because he was getting too much publicity and had become a liability.
The US had to rebuild its data collection from scratch for billions of dollars, and could never replace the lives he cost when the data was given to China, Russia, Iran, ISIS and AQ.
To laud him as a hero, is to side with people that want you and all of us dead. This has nothing to do with the Constitution or the Deep State, rather the defense of this country.
Eddy and Reality Loser should be sharing cells next to Ames and Hansen. All of them should have been shot, or given the chair like the Rosenbergs.
I hope I didn’t confuse you.
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Not at all but I prefer the time honored German-English translation of his name: s..thound
Bullshit. He exposed a domestic spying regimen that utterly eclipsed anything the Stasi imagined. The Stasi accumulated around 900 million to one billion pages of data over 40 years. The NSA/CIA does that every two days now (that they admit to).
This spying was not to keep us safe. It is -solely- for domestic suppression of any political movement like Trump and for blackmail.
This “keep us safe” spying missed the Fort Hood shooter who was emailing extensively to Al Qeida leaders.
They missed Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, San Bernadino, the Pulse nightclub, the underwear bomber (who boarded without a passport with a last minute cash ticket), the shoe bomber, the Nice France attack, Berlin, London numerous times, The Ariana Grande bombing, 7/7 bombings, the Madrid bombings, the grandmother in Oklahoma beheaded, the arson torching of the USS Bonhomme Richard, etc etc.
The intel community calls white nationalists our biggest threat. They push farces like Russia pissgate on us. They lied non-stop about coronavirus. They lied about murdergate (Fast and Furious).
It’s pretty obvious they aren’t doing anything to protect us. They are protecting the establishment.
Snowden is a hero and I hope he has a happy life.
“There is a story out there that Snoden was a CIA plant that was there to discredit the NSA.”
Distinction without difference. We all play the parlor game of what their ID card says. They are all the same despite their deep protestations to the contrary.
We all play the parlor game ...
We have several opinions with no source, what is one to do.
Exactly correct. Say you are Snowden and you get a pardon from President Trump. When you come home do you really have faith that some federal court somewhere court won’t overturn it? Hell, it could be a secret court and he wouldn’t even see it coming.
Sad to say, but at this point, and after this election, only a fool would take the word of the US government, or trust any promise they made you.
The overarching hallmark of the USSR was pervasive governmental corruption and dishonesty. Tragically, we have now arrived at that point in America.
But you can forgive corrupt "intelligence" agencies illegally spying on everyone, including political candidates of the wrong political party?
“The Constitution has nothing to do with the decision to betray the country. If you don’t like the job then quit.”
And THAT, in a nutshell, is the mentality of the spy community that the average American dislikes intensely. The Constitution is the ultimate law. If you find an agency not carefully following it, they should be immediately exposed. It’s the typical bullshit thinking of the spy community that they are somehow above, and unbound by the constitution, and that this is all of dire necessity. And “if we only knew..”.
This is the mentality that had them constantly running spies against the President himself. The White House and NSC is infested with Un American spies as we saw in the impeachment. They all repeatedly manifested first loyalty to “allies” and the “interagency group”. They are literally seeing themselves as a new Roman Praetorian Guard, standing above, and in judgement of the President.
We see this on full display when they have the utter audacity to describe the President as a “security risk”.
America’s Stasi has gotten too far from the Constitution, and has broken faith with the American people. They have trashed America’s reputation around the world as we are mostly seen as a scheming, duplicitous, and liar nation. And someday, they will pay the butcher’s bill and the retribution.
There was a time it was unimaginable for citizens to prowl the halls of Stasi, Nazi, and KGB headquarters and rifle through the archives....but it happened.
One day, maybe far away, maybe next year... it WILL happen here.
“For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light.
Luke 8:17”
By the way, the NSA literally has every single one of Hillary’s hidden and erased emails. The ultimate breach of national security and everyone pretends they are lost.
Time for much more Snowden style national disinfecting sunshine and bring spy agencies to heel. They need a serious and very brutal jerk on their leash.
There are and were ways to deal with that outside of Treason. We can all agree to disagree on this. I respect where you are coming from and hold no ill will. Just expressing my opinion as a former member of that community.
If Snowden had worked at Bletchly Park we would all be speaking German right now.
There is no way to keep America safe from **foreign** enemies by abiding by the Constitution - its not a suicide pact. Please do not equate today’s 3 letter agencies behavior to that of several decades ago. They were never meant to ‘abide’ by the Constitution any more than the military does.
What has been done lately in these agencies is not really different from what happened in our schools- the Democrats took over and perverted them to their own nefarious ends. Why? Because good men were driven out by all means of tactics; many cried “Alarm”, but no one heeded, no one listened, they were too busy with family, sports, parties, and the like to spare the time.
And there was only a very short period (a week, a month) when people could just walk into those archives - too much stuff was disappearing a la Sandy Berger. Nazi halls were pretty much bombed into rubble, what documents survived were the property of the respective controlling parties: France, Britain, Russia and the US, not the general public.
“If you find an agency not carefully following it, they should be immediately exposed.” Who makes that judgement call? You do know with these agencies there are levels within levels on each floor. What something looks like to some low-level employee is only what he is supposed to know, overall purpose goals means methods are on a need to know basis only and that employee may get the wrong idea about what he is participating in.
All the current spies like Ames, Hansen, Snowden, Winner are dedicated to destroying the safely and security of the country - don’t fall for their after-the-fact excuses or the MSN spin aimed at further destroying the agencies and encouraging more of the same from within. What exposure will do: look at what the Church Committee did to them.
BTW having walked those halls, I can tell you that you really don’t want to know what is in those archives, and the rest will bore you to tears.
The fact that you are not ashamed of what that "community" has become tells me everything I need to know about you.
Courts have no say in pardons.
While I’ll give Snowden credit for exposing the NSA under Obama as being crooked, the fact still remains that by giving said information to the Chinese, Russians, and even to Venezuela (not to mention actual Communists such as Assange and that gay Guardian reporter), he committed treason ultimately, which ALSO is against the Constitution. So no, he’s still no hero to me, despite my dislike for Obama, or the deep state. Anyone who aids or abets Communists for ANY reason is an enemy to me. He’s certainly not eligible for pardon, any more than Bill Ayers or Roland Ames were.
If he really cared about exposing crooks that were occupying the highest levels of office, he should have done the same thing that the guys who made that documentary series, the Clinton Chronicles, did by assembling the data into a documentary, giving it to the RNC and those he could trust, and then release it, even if it meant a bullet in his head. At least those guys, one of whom actually DID end up killed in an “accident” arranged by the Clintons afterwards, didn’t sell secrets to China, to Putin (who while technically an ally back then is nevertheless a Communist based on stuff he himself said about Lenin and Christianity as well as certain speeches he made). Besides, did he ever call out Ecuador’s mass surveillance measures? No? And I’m pretty sure being tweeted thanks by the likes of Bill Ayers and even included on his wall of Revolutionary “heroes” (such as Che Guevara or Vladimir Lenin or Karl Marx) doesn’t paint me with the impression that Snowden’s in any way a hero.
Same goes for Assange, who BTW, was exposed around the same time by Lee Strahanan to be a Marxist-Leninist.
Despite the old maxim, the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend, and just because he helped take down the Clintons DOESN’T make him our friend, nor does Assange.
And if you need sources:
Heck, Vladimir Putin himself admitted he was a Russian agent as well: http://web.archive.org/web/20130830025327/http://usasurvival.org/ck08.28.13.html#axzz4iPWArPS7
He already has in a three hour interview he gave to Ellen Ratner back in 2016 where he revealed it was Seth Rich...
Not just that. He could just get Seth Rich’d
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