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Navy to scrap USS Bonhomme Richard after days-long fire
The Hill ^ | 11/30/20 | Ellen Mitchell

Posted on 11/30/2020 2:13:44 PM PST by Lower Deck

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To: lee martell

NO!

Do you know the history of that name? She is named for Ben Franklin and the French who gave us the ship to fight the Revolution with. John Paul Jones was her first commander.

Unless Trump’s loss put’s us in the post-USA (in all but name) category, the name should always live on.


41 posted on 11/30/2020 2:53:11 PM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: Lower Deck

Sorry lower deck i have to disagree with you about the ship being in The yards hands. I went thru a complete overhaul. And we never let “all kinds of flammable crap” lay around. We had 24/7 fire watches and they often had to stop welding jobs because the yard birds were literally a bunch of fk ups. And we never let them get very far with out safety and fire prevention being first on our minds. Yes yard birds are going home , you aint, yardbirds have set ships on fire because they didnt want to work the weekend. But thats no excuse for not having a competent fire watch thats roving.


42 posted on 11/30/2020 2:53:58 PM PST by Ikeon (if agreed with you we'd both be wrong. )
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To: fishtank
Here's the problem:

"U.S. Representative John P. Murtha, of Pennsylvania's 12th Congressional District, delivered the principal commissioning address. Then Secretary of the Navy, John H. Dalton, placed the new ship in commission. Congressman Murtha's wife, Mrs. Joyce Murtha, served as Ship Sponsor, and christened the ship at Ingalls in May 1997. During the commissioning, Mrs. Murtha gave the traditional order to "Man our ship and bring her to life!" "

43 posted on 11/30/2020 2:55:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Alas Babylon!

44 posted on 11/30/2020 2:56:21 PM PST by Alas Babylon! ("You, the American people, are my only special interest." --President Donald J. Trump)
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To: lerker

One has to ask if the ship was designed for war with advanced fire suppression why did it burn up so easily?
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IIRC, ship was undergoing yard work. Crew was not on board and many systems shut down while yard maintenance worked.


45 posted on 11/30/2020 2:56:32 PM PST by pa_dweller (THIS SPACE LEFT INTENTIONALLY BLANK)
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To: lerker

IIRC, the fire suppression system was deactivated.


46 posted on 11/30/2020 2:59:56 PM PST by Taxman (MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AGAIN!)
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To: Lower Deck

It reminds me a little TOO much of the USS Miami.


47 posted on 11/30/2020 3:04:20 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Lower Deck

they said this was deliverare saborafe

can we at least execute the people that destroyed such a large us military asset?

save a bit from keeping them taxpayer supported in jail for life?


48 posted on 11/30/2020 3:04:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Lower Deck

I would imagine so.


49 posted on 11/30/2020 3:07:05 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: lee martell
The replacement ship will probably have a new name. The same name might be bad luck.

LHD-6 was the U.S. Navy's fifth ship named Bonhomme Richard.

You can bet there will be a sixth.

50 posted on 11/30/2020 3:09:08 PM PST by Drew68
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To: carriage_hill
I had no idea that ship was a carrier.

The conversion was to make it even more of one. They were going to take out the well deck used by the landing craft, and expand the hanger deck (and modifying the flight deck) to accomodate F-35s that are replacing the Harriers.

51 posted on 11/30/2020 3:10:00 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Alas Babylon!

That’s different. I wasn’t aware of the significance of the
Bonhomme Richard. Yes. We should continue to honor that
legacy and that moment of diplomacy.

FunFacts:
I just found out Franklin would sometimes use a different name; that being Richard Saunders.
I am reading now that Ben was the 10th son of a soap maker, Josiah Franklin.


52 posted on 11/30/2020 3:10:06 PM PST by lee martell
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To: one guy in new jersey
Did it have a light metal superstructure? High temperature light metal conflagrations can be impossible to extinguish in certain circumstances. Sit back and watch it burn until the fire runs out of fuel.

At least partially. The bottom of the mast melted and it twisted and sagged.

53 posted on 11/30/2020 3:11:34 PM PST by CedarDave (With lockdowns & mandatory business closures, New Mexico is to Texas as E. Germany was to W. Germany)
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To: Lower Deck

I haven’t seen any mention of the cost to replace.


54 posted on 11/30/2020 3:23:18 PM PST by null and void (If a country fixed a national election overnight like America just did, we would probably invade it.)
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To: fishtank

“I think that’s very superstitious.”

Sailors are a superstitious lot.


55 posted on 11/30/2020 3:30:30 PM PST by dljordan
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To: lerker

Because the fire suppression system was disabled and disconnected for maintenance


56 posted on 11/30/2020 3:32:27 PM PST by joe fonebone (Communists Need To Be Eliminated)
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Well, I hope they get it completely scrapped before Biden takes over... He’d likely give it to the Chinese to reverse engineer completely.


57 posted on 11/30/2020 3:32:40 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Lower Deck
Revel ~ These ships are not going to be very useful in a real war. One hit and they burn up.

Lower Deck ~ They were in the hands of the shipyard with most of the crew ashore and flammable crap everywhere. A whole lot different than combat conditions.

The fire suppression system was down for refurbishment as part of the work to be performed. That would have made quite a difference, as would the watertight doors being closed as they would be in an attack scenario, that limits the spread of any smoke and fire, as well as isolating flooding.

Still, a good solid hit with not just the damage from the warhead, but any unburned solid rocket fuel bouncing around inside is a BAD THING!

It burns quite hot enough to make aluminum flow like water.

58 posted on 11/30/2020 3:33:39 PM PST by null and void (If a country fixed a national election overnight like America just did, we would probably invade it.)
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To: Ikeon

I read there are different standards for nuclear powered ships that are as you said, but for oil burners its a different story.


59 posted on 11/30/2020 3:41:28 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: lee martell
The same name might be bad luck

The Enterprise

60 posted on 11/30/2020 3:46:54 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and needs to be eradicated)
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