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ATF Places Some AR-15 Pistols with Stabilizer Braces Under NFA
Breitbart ^ | 07 Oct 2020 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 10/07/2020 2:05:33 PM PDT by PerConPat

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To: dhs12345

Congress gave them the power to make “rules” with the weight of law. So, yes.


81 posted on 10/07/2020 7:37:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Where do you find the word "except" in the 2nd Amendment?)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
:" The gun control acts of 1934, 1968 and 1986 are anti-constitutional.
The deep state wants to undercut Trump with his supporters on 2A. Butt even Reagan did this sh*t."

I'll bet some agency bureaucrat initiated this decision.
You know the kind. Someone never having been elected into office,
thereby bypassing any kind of legislative consideration , or approval.

82 posted on 10/07/2020 7:42:28 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: smokingfrog

Not sure I’m getting your point...Please clarify for me if you’d like, and I’ll respond. Thanks...


83 posted on 10/07/2020 7:44:35 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal that can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground--Mencken)
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To: redgolum

Interesting...In my first post, I was expressing my questioning of the timing..


84 posted on 10/07/2020 7:49:47 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal that can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground--Mencken)
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To: Spktyr

I have read on my gun forums that the company even had (in their advertisements) pictures of shooters shouldering the gun like a rifle. That’s specifically what the ATF forbids. A “brace” is a brace. A stock is different.


85 posted on 10/08/2020 3:25:38 AM PDT by LouAvul (The wheels of America are coming off and the media have stolen the lug nuts.)
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To: Charles Martel
Seems like the sort of thing that would earn a company some extra scrutiny.

This. All that's necessary is for a company to get onto the radar of the ATF. They'll keep scratching until they draw blood.

Here's the manufacturer's recommendation:

[Begin quote] Q encourages possessors of the Honey Badger Pistol to take these proactive measures until a resolution is reached between Q and ATF.

1. Complete one of the following:

A: Remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and dedicate it as a replacement for another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle; or

B: If you do not possess another AR-style pistol or registered short-barreled rifle, remove the barreled upper receiver from the lower receiver and temporarily transfer it out of your possession by, for example, transferring it to the dominion and control of another individual; and

2. Once the previous step is completed, you may file an ATF Form 1 to register the lower receiver as a short-barreled rifle. Upon Form 1 approval, the firearm may be reassembled.[End quote]

86 posted on 10/08/2020 3:31:56 AM PDT by LouAvul (The wheels of America are coming off and the media have stolen the lug nuts.)
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To: LouAvul

Well, the ATF has clarified that a brace is a brace, but if you happen to hold it to your shoulder as if it were a stock you won’t be in violation of the law. It just can’t be designed as a stock, which is what this is - instead of a split rear portion that fits around the arm that may look like a stock (but isn’t) they put a solid stock on it with a strap underneath it. That’s a no-no.


87 posted on 10/08/2020 3:31:58 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: LouAvul

B isn’t going to resolve it. Remember, the lower is “the gun” and it has the part that the ATF has specifically called out. Now you’ve dragged someone else into the problem.

A better option IMHO is to remove the offending part, replace it with an actual approved part (Shockwave Blade, for example), send the part back to Q via trackable common carrier and then you don’t have this problem.


88 posted on 10/08/2020 3:38:48 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Yep - got the concern trolls all worked up because a rifle is being called a pistol and its now being called a rifle - maybe they’re rethinking on whether a man can put on lipstick and actually be called a woman...the manufacturer just pushed the envelope a bit too much.


89 posted on 10/08/2020 4:00:40 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: LouAvul
You'd think that the recommended fixes would include switching the provided brace with another such part that hasn't been deemed naughty by the ATF, thereby preserving the firearm as a pistol.

Hmm.

90 posted on 10/08/2020 6:06:39 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: PROCON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJEHb5H37Do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuNvgFfrcAI

In depth discusion of this subject with SB Brace inventor and Q owner.

Possibly worthy of a re-ping.


91 posted on 10/08/2020 10:59:15 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Spktyr; Charles Martel
A better option IMHO is to remove the offending part, replace it with an actual approved part (Shockwave Blade, for example), send the part back to Q via trackable common carrier and then you don’t have this problem.

One can hope for a sensible solution, such as you describe, perhaps reached via private discussions with the company. Unfortunately, ATF has a long-standing policy that can be summed up as, "once a rifle, always a rifle". Because ATF has already determined that the Badger is a rifle, the same lower receiver couldn't legally be used to subsequently assemble a pistol. Obviously, there are exceptions to that policy (notably the TC Contender), but I would be surprised if ATF went that route. Officially allowing the Badgers to be converted back to handguns might give them a special legal status, and unintentionally benefit the company, which is not likely high on the ATF's priority list...

92 posted on 10/08/2020 12:18:42 PM PDT by Who is John Galt? ('Urban Dictionary' - a website of the urban dicks, by the urban dicks, and for the urban dicks.)
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To: PerConPat

BECAUSE THE SAME DEEP STATE TRAITORS WHO INFECT THE FBI, DOJ. BLM, IRS, CIA. STATE DRPT., ETC. INFECT ATF.


93 posted on 10/08/2020 6:02:31 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach John Roberts for corruption. SOROS IS "SPARTACUS" BOOKER'S LANISTA.)
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To: ZULU

That is my take as well...My questions were rhetorical...You nailed it...


94 posted on 10/09/2020 3:54:07 AM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal that can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground--Mencken)
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