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California Doomed to Frequent Blackout Risk by Battery Shortage. The state’s electric grid operator said it needs to buy 12 gigawatts of battery storage. That’s a whole lot more than it has right now.
Bloomberg | August 19, 2020 | Will Wade and Brian Eckhouse

Posted on 08/19/2020 11:06:03 AM PDT by karpov

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To: umgud

get out your fans and solar panels, ha ha ha ha ha This is the prelude to the green new deal


41 posted on 08/19/2020 1:56:31 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: SunkenCiv

Hey, hey now. Let’s all get a grip. All California needs to do is to figure out how to capture all the energy from all the wildfires it has, store it, convert it, and transmit it.

Where’s Nicolas Tesla when we need him?


42 posted on 08/19/2020 2:00:49 PM PDT by .44 Special (Tiamid Buacach!)
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To: Richard Kimball

It’s called forward thinking.


43 posted on 08/19/2020 2:02:18 PM PDT by .44 Special (Tiamid Buacach!)
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To: umgud

...as do electrons, apparently.


44 posted on 08/19/2020 2:08:53 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: KarlInOhio; SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Kaslin

Maybe. With the illiteracy of todays “news media” and their prolific selection-by-race-and-poltical-trends, we really cannot guess at what was actually said about power and energy, what is actually needed by California as a whole and as a future, and what is “wanted by the enviro’s” as a miracle.

All that compared to what miracle the enviro’s expect as a “solution” - For example, “We must close all of the fossil-fueled power plants because wind and solar and tidal power will power everything in ten years” is treated as a valid, honest assessment!

And then after all of that, what power over what period of time is actually needed now, next year, five years from now, and 25 years from now in the real world.


45 posted on 08/19/2020 2:14:57 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE ( I can only donate monthly, but the radical ABCNNBCBS does it every hour on their news.)
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To: karpov

Even if it were possible, do these idiots realize the environmental impact of lead and lithium batteries in both their manufacture and disposal?

They think storing spent nuclear rods is a problem.
Wait till these batteries show up.


46 posted on 08/19/2020 2:36:10 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: karpov

Confiscate all the Tesla sports sedans In LA and wire them all together! That should make a tiny little dent in their power deficit.


47 posted on 08/19/2020 2:55:39 PM PDT by Pennsyltucky Boy (bitterly clinging to our constitutional rights in PA P)
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To: Robert A Cook PE
Excellent post.

I'm going off memory here, but I read an article about a college in California, several years ago, they decided to convert completely to renewable energy, figuring they'd make the investment up front, and recoup it on the electricity savings. After spending more money than the college would have spent on electricity in twenty years, they were providing something less than five percent of the needed energy, and the solar panels, etc., had a twenty year life span.

Your point about power needs 5 to 25 years from now is especially important, considering they're wanting all the cars to go electric to reduce emissions.

48 posted on 08/19/2020 2:58:59 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (WWG1WGA)
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To: karpov

Thank you


49 posted on 08/19/2020 2:59:57 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I Love Bull Markets!)
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To: karpov

California doesn’t need batteries, California needs their five nuclear generators back.

I see pictures of Japan, Hong Kong, Beijing; the cities are lit up like Christmas Trees all night long. And yet we are doomed to low-watt lighting, power restrictions, tier pricing, dark alleyways and streets that breed crime, and skyrocketing electric bills that we were guaranteed would be lower, ‘practically free,’ under solar/wind.


50 posted on 08/19/2020 5:02:08 PM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: karpov

I bet the utilities are told NOT to disconnect any rich celebs or politicians homes.


51 posted on 08/19/2020 8:15:50 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....He the master will plant more cotton for the democrat party)
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To: tbw2

Warren Buffet once famously said that the only reason anyone would invest in wind farms was to harvest government subsidies. There is no other possible economic reason for their existence.


52 posted on 08/19/2020 9:51:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is More often surrendered than seized.p.)
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To: beethovenfan

I hate driving the land and seeing them eye sores. Rather see a coal plant every 4 or 5 hundred mile.


53 posted on 08/19/2020 10:27:54 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: the_daug

12gigawatts. My goodness. That is about 12 large units of real power plants. Good luck with the battery idea and you still have to charge with excess energy.


54 posted on 08/19/2020 10:43:39 PM PDT by RobyOnekanobee
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To: karpov

Why not go for 1.21 gigawatts? At least it will power the delorean!


55 posted on 08/19/2020 10:48:00 PM PDT by Mom MD
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“What we want to do is build the batteries where the population is, so there’s that resiliency aspect,”

That's the same as building dynamite storage facilities inside city limits. Democrats usually build their disasters in Republican areas so that is a step in the right direction.

56 posted on 08/19/2020 10:55:06 PM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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