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California Doomed to Frequent Blackout Risk by Battery Shortage. The state’s electric grid operator said it needs to buy 12 gigawatts of battery storage. That’s a whole lot more than it has right now.
Bloomberg | August 19, 2020 | Will Wade and Brian Eckhouse

Posted on 08/19/2020 11:06:03 AM PDT by karpov

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To: SunkenCiv
Battery storage to run, what, 12 volt DC lights? What is this, 1890? Let’s take a HUGE step backwards and embrace battery storage. Dumbasses🤦🏻‍♂️
21 posted on 08/19/2020 11:31:05 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Scamdemic 2020)
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To: karpov

The 9.9 MW batteries in Texas last about 4 minutes top.
Good luck with this idea.


22 posted on 08/19/2020 11:33:49 AM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: karpov

Tehachapi Pass wind farm can’t keep up.


23 posted on 08/19/2020 11:37:14 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: karpov

12 gigawatt whats?

gigawatt minutes? gigawatt hours?

It makes a difference.

Gigawatt is power, a measure of energy per unit time.

The battery requirement is energy.

power * time = total energy


24 posted on 08/19/2020 11:44:21 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KarlInOhio

Yeah, immediately noticed that.

Most people don’t understand that batteries are rated by amperage-time. A 12 amp-hour battery will will supply 12 amps for 1 hour, or 120 amps for 6 minutes (1/10 hour), or 1.2 amps for 10 hours.

Saying battery is x kw is like saying car speed is x miles.


25 posted on 08/19/2020 11:48:14 AM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: karpov

How about 3 thorium-based nuclear plants and a couple of natural gas plants? Oh no, can’t have those say the enviro-creeps.


26 posted on 08/19/2020 11:55:53 AM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: karpov

There must be something in what the Commie Cali Controllers are drinking,
or they would pump water back up into reservoirs during the day for energy
storage, like the rest of us that don’t have 12 Gigawatt hours of battery
capacity on hand either, have been doing for decades.

When you infect a place with Communism, even Silicon Valley can’t keep the lights on.


27 posted on 08/19/2020 11:57:40 AM PDT by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see #KAG)
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To: karpov

NO, you just need to use Natural gas to fire the generators and the problem is fixed. If the sun don’t shine or the wind don’t blow, California is f**ked with their “renewable energy only” solution. Democrats are so stupid.


28 posted on 08/19/2020 12:04:05 PM PDT by oil_dude
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To: karpov

Screw those dumb lefties. Perhaps they could get the money from the offshore accounts that they stole from taxpayers.


29 posted on 08/19/2020 12:07:39 PM PDT by dforest
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The CA environmental-Nazis were soooooo eager to see San Onofre nuclear station closed several years ago, with its >2000 megawatts of carbon-free power generation.

Now cleaning up the remnants of San Onofre with a >$5 billion budget.

They can bake in the dark results of their decisions, they are not without consequences.


30 posted on 08/19/2020 12:13:02 PM PDT by spiderpig (Does whatever a Spider Pig does)
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To: the_daug

I had to chuckle for many miles rolling across central Iowa last week on I-80.

That high wind Derecho that slammed central Iowa (see Trump visit to Cedar Rapids) also slammed the Mid-American Energy wind farms across the Des Moines area. The turbines that follow the interstate were ALL out of service, and there were several temporary cranes already mobilized to repair damage.

Remember, wind power, the perfect energy source, always on, so reliable. NOT.


31 posted on 08/19/2020 12:19:12 PM PDT by spiderpig (Does whatever a Spider Pig does)
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They could just build some nuclear plants again. You know, actually provide real power.


32 posted on 08/19/2020 12:37:03 PM PDT by vpintheak (Live free, or die!)
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To: spiderpig

Trouble is, their policies leave us in the dark as well.


33 posted on 08/19/2020 12:37:19 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: the_daug

...and it’s God-awful ugly too. Visual pollution.


34 posted on 08/19/2020 12:38:53 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: umgud

The media never blames Democrats or their dolt voters for anything.


35 posted on 08/19/2020 12:59:58 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: karpov

The painful irony is how bad their solar panel infrastructure was rolled out. It was designed to maximize tax rebates, not provide off-the-grid energy storage. Maybe 5% of solar panel installations involved a Powerwall or batteries. Most simply set up panels on the roof and connected to the grid.

This means that most people with solar panels do NOT have power when the grid is down.


36 posted on 08/19/2020 1:02:22 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: karpov

They need more power generation, coal, oil and gas.


37 posted on 08/19/2020 1:02:25 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: karpov

Friggin’ retarded.

It’s far, FAR cheaper to build a dozen natural gas plants and let them sit idle until 5pm in the summer months.

And just turn them on when needed.

That MIGHT be 100 hours per year.


38 posted on 08/19/2020 1:04:28 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: 9422WMR
The stored energy gets converted from DC to AC and shoveled into the grid. The idea behind this is that the surviving power plants can run flat-out 24/7, and the off-peak (nighttime) generation used to charge up the batteries. The fact that there's constant growth, both in Cali population and in power consumption, and that more power plants will continue to be needed, seems to be untroubling to the Demagogic Party nitwits who have built their "durable majoriity" (single party state).

39 posted on 08/19/2020 1:09:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: karpov
Wow. That's ten trips to 1955.

A consistent thing with "progressives" is that they act like all the things people worked hard to build, like roads, dams, bridges, water lines and the electrical grid just happen automatically.

They haven't spent a dime on infrastructure, while selling their pie in the sky windmills and bullet trains. The whole thing is collapsing.

40 posted on 08/19/2020 1:47:08 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (WWG1WGA)
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