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Is America Up for a Naval War with China?
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 07/17/2020 4:18:35 AM PDT by Kaslin

Is the United States, preoccupied with a pandemic and a depression created by that medical crisis, prepared for a collision with China over Beijing's claims to the rocks, reefs, and resources of the South China Sea?

For that is what Mike Pompeo appeared to threaten this week.

"The world will not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire," thundered the secretary of state.

"America stands with our Southeast Asian allies and partners in protecting their sovereign rights to offshore resources ... and [we] reject any push to impose 'might makes right' in the South China Sea."

Thus did Pompeo put Beijing on notice that the U.S. does not recognize its claim to 90% of the South China Sea or to any exclusive Chinese right to its fishing grounds or oil and gas resources.

Rather, in a policy shift, the U.S. now recognizes the rival claims of Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines.

To signal the seriousness of Pompeo's stand, the U.S. sent the USS Ronald Reagan and USS Nimitz carrier battle groups through the South China Sea. And, this week, the guided-missile destroyer USS Ralph Johnson sailed close by the Spratly Islands.

But what do Mike Pompeo's tough words truly mean?

While we have recognized the claims of the other littoral states of the South China Sea, does Pompeo mean America will use its naval power to defend their claims should China use force against the vessels of those five nations?

Does it mean that if Manila, our lone treaty ally in these disputes, uses force to reclaim what we see as its lawful rights in the South China Sea, the U.S. Navy will fight the Chinese navy to validate Manila's claims?

Has Pompeo drawn a red line, which Beijing has been told not to cross at risk of war with the United States?

If so, does anyone in Washington think the Chinese are going to give up their claims to the entire South China Sea or retreat from reasserting those claims because the U.S. now rejects them?

Consider what happened to the people of Hong Kong when they thought they had the world's democracies at their back.

For a year, they marched and protested for greater political freedom with some believing they might win independence.

But when Beijing had had enough, it trashed the Basic Law under which Hong Kong had been ceded back to China and began a crackdown.

The democracies protested and imposed economic sanctions. But the bottom line is that Hong Kong's people not only failed to enlarge the sphere of freedom they had, but also they are losing much of what they had.

The Americans, seeing Hong Kong being absorbed into China, are now canceling the special economic privileges we had accorded the city, as the British offer millions of visas to Hong Kong's dissidents who fear what Beijing has in store for them.

In June, Pompeo also charged Beijing with human rights atrocities in Xinjiang: "The world received disturbing reports today that the Chinese Communist Party is using forced sterilization, forced abortion, and coercive family planning against Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang, as part of a continuing campaign of repression."

These reports, said Pompeo, "are sadly consistent with decades of CCP practices that demonstrate an utter disregard for the sanctity of human life and basic human dignity."

China has rejected U.S. protests of its treatment of Uyghurs and Kazakhs and of its handling of Hong Kong as interference in its internal affairs and none of America's business.

As for the South China Sea, China dismissively replied that the U.S. seems to be "throwing its weight around in every sea of the world."

These American warnings, and Beijing's response, call to mind the darker days of the Cold War.

So, again, the question: Is America prepared for a naval clash in the South China Sea if Beijing continues to occupy and fortify islets and reefs she claims as her own? Are we prepared for a Cold War II -- with China?

While China lacks the strategic arsenal the USSR had in the latter years of the Cold War, economically, technologically, and industrially, China is a far greater power than Soviet Russia ever was. And China's population is four times as large.

Can we, should we, begin to assemble a system of alliances similar to what we had during the Cold War -- with NATO in Europe and Asian security pacts with Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan, Australia and New Zealand? Should we adopt a policy of containment of Communist China, which, says Pompeo, is an expansionist and "imperialist" power?

Should we start issuing war guarantees to China's neighbors? Should we start putting down red lines China will not be allowed to cross?

Before we plunged into our half dozen Middle East wars, we didn't think through where those would end. Have we considered where all our belated bellicosity toward Beijing must invariably lead, and how this all ends?


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To: ought-six
China and Japan hate each other.

And all of the other Asian countries who would make up a natural alliance against China hate Japan, too.

There are many strategic challenges. China isn't stupid enough to go one-on-one with the US Navy - but they'll continue to take whatever they feel they can get away with.

21 posted on 07/17/2020 5:57:33 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: pas

Consider the author.
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My point exactly. Never liked the pompous ass


22 posted on 07/17/2020 5:58:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Gen.Blather
All of what you said and the Three Gorges Dam is threatening to break. If that happens China is pretty much done for.
23 posted on 07/17/2020 6:24:22 AM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: Kaslin

Our navy better stop crashing into things. We might need them.


24 posted on 07/17/2020 6:27:03 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Father in Heaven, I trust in Your love.)
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To: jacknhoo

I disagree.

The nice thing about China is you can count on it acting in its own best interests. Not true of Iran.

North Korea is just China. Russia will also act in its own best interest, but economically their economy is about the size of New York State. The only war they can afford to sustain is one in which they are not involved.

And Germany, for whatever reason, thinks it ought to rule the world. With the EU thing, they attempted to do economically what they couldn’t do militarily last century. An argument could be made that taking out Germany would make the world as safe as if you took out Mecca (and Iran).


25 posted on 07/17/2020 6:37:18 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Bommer

Pssst, they have a 300 ship Navy and it’s growing.


26 posted on 07/17/2020 6:45:56 AM PDT by skepsel (I miss William F. Buckley and the old Firing Line)
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To: Gen.Blather

Great post

I believe that the current Chinese youth eschew the Communist totalitarian control and are a simmering stew of discontent. The task for the party is to pacify this discontent while maintaining absolute control.


27 posted on 07/17/2020 6:51:59 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Kaslin

“Is America up for a naval war with China?”

No. Not a chance.


28 posted on 07/17/2020 6:55:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Think like youÂ’re right, listen like youÂ’re wrong)
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To: Caipirabob
The US still has a potentially massive coalition that would be compelled to follow.

In a real world.

29 posted on 07/17/2020 6:56:39 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (#openupstateny)
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To: skepsel

Pssst....so do we. But ours isn’t chinese made!


30 posted on 07/17/2020 6:57:17 AM PDT by Bommer (I'm a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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To: G Larry

“ Troops?
You must have missed the fact that if a small child threw a rock a Three Gorges dam it would collapse and wipe out about 40 million downstream.”
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Thanks. But, you may be relieved to know that I didn’t miss anything. I’m quite aware that our military is without peer in its ability to project power.


31 posted on 07/17/2020 7:11:27 AM PDT by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Kaslin

President Trump has turned the Marxist’s plan against us against them; destroy their economy first.

They already have become a huge debtor nation, the CCP owned businesses are gobbling up financial resources thanks to the inevitable poor management of State run entities, they have a generation of young horny men (thanks to the 1 child policy) and a middle to upper middle class that doesn’t appreciate what is going on.

The collapse of China isn’t an if, it is a when. If we can, as Reagan did with the USSR, beat them without firing a shot that is the best outcome. Especially if done AFTER no longer needing them as our supply chain.


32 posted on 07/17/2020 7:17:39 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“They get to keep those islands?“

Of course they do. There is no force on the planet with the will to stop them.


33 posted on 07/17/2020 7:23:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Think like youÂ’re right, listen like youÂ’re wrong)
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To: jdsteel

Lots of people here, seem to have been sleeping for the last 30 years, while China was taking over America’s manufacturing base.


34 posted on 07/17/2020 7:30:21 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: Kaslin
First question that needs to be answered is:
"Can today's U.S. Navy learn how to navigate in a manner that avoids collisions with other ships?"
35 posted on 07/17/2020 12:55:06 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: PIF

Man behind the Curtain


36 posted on 07/17/2020 2:10:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: snoringbear

I was thinking the other way around.


37 posted on 07/17/2020 2:11:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ought-six

China and ______ hate each other.

You could fill in 50 different countries, or more, in the blank.


38 posted on 07/18/2020 12:35:29 AM PDT by thoughtomator (here comes the switch to Hillary)
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To: Elsie

“ I was thinking the other way around.”
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Not following you. Help me out Elsie.


39 posted on 07/18/2020 3:12:32 AM PDT by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: cba123; Jim Noble
Lots of people here, seem to have been sleeping for the last 30 years, while China was taking over America’s manufacturing base.

Indeed, according to plan. The Chicoms understood that the unrivaled manufacturing ability of the US was a primary integral part of its victories and that of its allies in WW1 and 2 - by the grace of God - and thus China needed to replace that ability with its own. Which US leadership enabled. Now only China could provide the material and men needed in a prolonged major conflict against the US and prevail.

On the other hand, instituting a major war now would result in great losses to China as well as the US, and while they will risk provoking it, yet as they see America destroying itself from within, they would be rational to wait until the Democrats further weaken the nation as the US engages in a unwinnable war against God.

40 posted on 07/18/2020 4:29:02 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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