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Doctors Break Down COVID Response and the Demonization of HCQ, DOCTORS TELL ALL
The Ohio Star ^ | July 1st 2020 | Dr. Simone Gold and Dr. Dan Wohlgelernter

Posted on 07/09/2020 2:54:49 PM PDT by ChessExpert

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To: Presbyterian Reporter

CV-19 Reference bump - Thanks!


41 posted on 07/09/2020 10:48:00 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: ChessExpert

You cannot argue with FACTS:

ABSOLUTE **FACTS** ON COVID19

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239667


42 posted on 07/10/2020 1:15:08 AM PDT by afchief
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To: null and void

113 thousand deaths in the USA
÷3.1 million confirmed cases in the USA
×100
=3.6%

Mea culpa, lol.


43 posted on 07/10/2020 1:30:36 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Donald Trump, President for Life (heh, heh))
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To: flaglady47
Mea culpa?

Nah, it was a good question and deserved a quick and accurate answer.

As alarming as the 3.6% number is it's one heck of a lot better than some of the early fatality rates. Back in April the world wide rates of completed cases were in the 20s!

Scary high and approaching civilization collapsing levels.

We, as a species* have made amazing progress in fighting the spread and finding effective treatments!

*except for democrats

44 posted on 07/10/2020 7:18:46 AM PDT by null and void (Quarantine the sick. Shield the vulnerable. Free everyone else!)
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To: afchief
You cannot argue with FACTS:

HUH????

We do that all the time!

45 posted on 07/10/2020 7:20:36 AM PDT by null and void (Quarantine the sick. Shield the vulnerable. Free everyone else!)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

“The death rates of other countries that have used HCQ is well below ours.”

It would certainly be interesting to see comparative results if any of our states encouraged the use of HCQ.

Even as it is, state by state experience differs greatly. The article verbally contrasted Florida, New York and other states. Here’s another source, one with numbers:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

It shows covid-19 deaths per 100,000 population: 166 for New York, 19 for Florida.


46 posted on 07/10/2020 8:29:19 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Interesting video.

I’ll give a brief story about a friend of mine who we think had CoVid in late February, early March. The tests weren’t out yet, but he had just come from a trip out of the country. I don’t remember where he went, but when he got home, he developed nearly all of the CoVid symptoms that they’ve mentioned. Sore throat, fever, body aches, chills, terrible cough, trouble breathing. The best he could do was an appointment with his doctor. The doctor said he had pneumonia in one lung, and bronchitis in the other. He prescribed my friend an asthma inhaler and an antibiotic. He was sick for about 2 weeks total, but he got through it. He said it kicked his butt. I have yet to ask if he’s gone for the antibody test, but I am presuming that he had CoVid.


47 posted on 07/10/2020 9:08:41 AM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: ChessExpert

Does anyone know who and/or when did the government prohibit the use of HCQ for the treatment of COVID19?

Am in a running discussion with a liberal relative about this article.

She cannot believe there has been such action against HCQ.

Thanks, in advance.


48 posted on 07/10/2020 12:59:48 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Good question. I do not have the answer. I suspect it is multi-level. For example, either the FDA or HHS has not advanced HCQ for use against covid-19, then the 50 states threaten action against doctors who prescribe it for that purpose.

My view is that doctors’ concerns are:
1: Having their license pulled
2: Disciplinary actions from the state
3: Lawsuits
4: The well being of their patients
5: How they are perceived by their peers, and superiors if applicable.
6: Loss of emoluments from pharmaceutical companies.

Medical care is controlled through a variety of means. It would take some work to untangle it. Despite this, everyone within the system knows which way the wind is blowing.

Only a few people can really sort this out and explain it.

I’ve asked a few doctors if they would prescribe HCQ. The answer is “no.”

I suggest you ask your friend to ask as many doctors as she wants and to get back to you with results. If she can find one who will prescribe it, see that doctor!


49 posted on 07/10/2020 6:09:49 PM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Just found this:

“The Food and Drug Administration warned health professionals last month that the drug should not be used to treat COVID-19 outside of hospital or research settings due to sometimes fatal side effects.”

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/334310-donald-trump-allies-lining-up-doctors-to-prescribe-rapid-reopening


50 posted on 07/10/2020 6:18:02 PM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

One more thing. Proponents for HCQ say it should be given early - to keep you out of the hospital. It does no good to take it late when you are in the hospital.

So the FDA saying it should not be used outside of the hospital creates a catch 22 situation. You can’t take it so as to prevent the need for hospitalization. But you might be able to take it in the hospital, when it won’t do any good.


51 posted on 07/10/2020 8:26:19 PM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: ChessExpert

Thanks for that explanation.

Not good that drs won’t prescribe it.


52 posted on 07/10/2020 10:59:38 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: ChessExpert

So true. The FDA is corrupt.


53 posted on 07/10/2020 11:05:54 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: ChessExpert

btt


54 posted on 07/11/2020 4:20:09 AM PDT by dennisw
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Cases reported only get a fraction of total cases due to asymptotics, minor symptoms, and insufficient testing. Cases now may be inflated from counting each test the same person gets, bad test kits, fake reports, etc.

The best number to use is hospitalizations — that’s what our state government uses as I was told by the Secretary of Commerce —but it’s not readily available online. Hence the media touts the case number.

55 posted on 07/11/2020 9:29:29 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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