Posted on 07/02/2020 11:44:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Rant all you want, but I’ve never supported a lockdown.
I supported Sweden’s model of social distancing while keeping businesses up and running with safety precautions built into ongoing business practices. The only thing I’d add to Sweden’s approach (the part where they failed) is better protection for the elderly and other vulnerable people.
But if you find it cathartic to scream and curse at people who didn’t support the lockdowns, please, go right ahead. I’m not bothered by it.
Hey,whoever can develop an effective vaccine...more power to them!
I am against anything that Fauci is involved with.
You could look into his history of corruption if you wanted, but you don’t, so I won’t bother.
I agree. I am commenting mainly on the sheeple who have been convinced that vaccines are a key. I think the lockdowns were an abomination and not rooted in science.
As I have written, I believe the death rate (and it is crashing in the setting of so called increasing cases) is also manipulated. The data demonstrate that 45% of the deaths occurred in skilled or assisted living, and that had Cuomo not pulled his little stunt we would have still under 100,00 deaths.
Combine this with the recent CDC data that state there are well over 20M cases, and perhaps upward of 50M, and we can assume that the adjusted fatality rate is 0.1 - 0.2% (Its just the flu, bro)
I have also written that in my experience and state all positives are reported. I have had to personally test people, 5 - 6 times to get consecutive negatives in order to discharge to the next level of care. In order to have a procedure in my state, you have to be tested, and almost without question you get tested in the ER regardless of reason for admission.
In the last week, we have had 120 - 160 patients in the ER a day complaining of “exposure”. When told we do not test without symptoms, miraculously, the haven’t been able to taste anything for a day and now we are compelled to test. The majority of these are young people
Unlike the other idiot on this thread who cannot read what I have posted, we are INAPPROPRIATELY testing people. The only reason to test is because we need to know if a disease is present. IF you are asymptomatic or have the sniffles, so what? No need to check that out. I completely agree that the media is driving the narrative and this is become a political weapon.
As such, I am convinced that a vaccine, no matter who ineffective it is, will likely stop the insanity. Is someone makes a halfway decent vaccine I think they should profit. I have never once suggested that reopening be conditioned on vaccine, and think it preposterous — however, I am also coming to realize the complete absence of the intelligence in the average American and do not hold out hope that he or she will be able to make the risk benefit judgment to not be afraid as in >99% of cases, this a brief, self limited disease or totally asymptomatic
We have seen what happens in all pandemics. When first introduced to a population, the extremity vulnerable die. That is what happened three months ago. I am also of the opinion that ALL winter, this was circulating. We saw a lot of ARDS in January and February that did NOT have (+) influenza probes or other viral probes. We were not overwhlemed, it looked like a slightly worse than average influenza season.
The commentary between the science and the public perception has an enormous gulf. We are treating this disease as if it is ebola. I think we have been completely duped from a science perspective. However the solution to this is now a political solution, not a scientific one. I am happy to hear how we can advance the political solution without a vaccine (that I would strongly speak against making mandatory).
That is exactly correct, we were near a vaccine with MERS, this is an easy substitution as it does not require going back to the drawing board.
So you are against Anything Fauci says, and yet you cannot verbalize why you are against seeking a vaccine? This is not about Fauci, you cannot defend the indefensible.
If you can point out a single thing that I have said that is incorrect, testify to it now. I have said what I have said. However, you will not be able to point to anything that I have said that is factually incorrect. You can twist my words, but that is as much of a lie as what you are promoting.
Please keep showing your ass — it completely demonstrates your inability to do anything that requires a brain.
It is amazing, you think showing a shiny ball like Fauci and his corruption somehow makes you correct and that I should go research something that you probably dont understand? How about this — why dont YOU research what I have said about Fauci. If you wanted, but you dont, So I wont bother.
Agreed, and I hold out hope, that we will not need a vaccine to reopen, due to the Pandora’s box that will create.
I am afraid, as you are, that the sheeple will demand a vaccine before reopening. If this precedence is set, we are all going to be in a heap of trouble.
Oh, and I agree on the testing, really no reason for it. Heck, they are free testing in a parking lot across the street from my work. People are lined up every day.
The only testing, at this stage in the game, that would be beneficial, is antibody testing. That way we could get a good look at how far we are along in the natural immunity path. Although I am not hard over on needing that either.
I am also seeing things pop up on contact tracing. Can you believe that? Contract tracing this late in the game? Absolutely 100% worthless.
E. Plur
I was following this and applaud your civility in your post.
People who know their position is weak usually resort to name calling. It really destroys any credibility.
Please see post 28 where e plur called me a jackass tyrant. This was the opening salvo. If you call him civil that’s fine. He also referred to two of us as f******.
Again, I will respond in kind. I have no problem with your opinions however you may not distort the facts.
I’m curious for your opinion as to whether it makes sense to do serology and PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2 together whenever testing. It seems like if you’re only doing PCR testing, you’re taking a snapshot of “are you currently within the narrow window of time this would show up positive?” and if you’re doing only serology testing, you’re ignoring the person’s current status.
I’m ignoring how many different serology tests are currently available and assuming for my purposes that we would stick to only ones independently evaluated for the best accuracy and specificity.
Usually not as IgM and IgG show up 14 days or so after things have cleared. However in this rare case, I would as there are numerous reports in the literature of “late (+)” where there is no disease. The prevailing theory is that dead particles are low enough in the respiratory tract that it takes 90 days for the respiratory tract to turn over its cells. As such dead particles MAY be amplified by PCR technique and report (+), but the particles cannot cause disease
I have 4 or 5 patients who are fine, and awaiting two negatives and every time we test them and get a negative, the next time they get a positive. They are literally sitting in a hospital doing fine, but cannot discharge to a different level of care until that magic second positive.
So in this case, a (+) antibody and a (+) PCR would prove the existence of the above state.
The reproduction of rna viruses make this a moot point. But i imagine it will be quite the money maker every year or so.
Vaxes with limited antigenic sites.. or develop natural immunity to mutiple antigenic sites by exposure.
What doesn’t kill me only makes me more immune.
Never even had the flu, nor the vax until forced to do so by Obamacare. I was young during the 76 swine flu, so i would say that exposure has kept me from every flu i have seen others go through.
Not the same ‘it’. This is the Jenner Institute, completely unrelated to Professor Gupta’s department.
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