Posted on 06/01/2020 9:53:42 PM PDT by basalt
https://www.theblaze.com/news/george-floyd-fentanyl-methamphetamine-autopsy
No, actually I’m not. But then that’s always a good excuse if you don’t like what people are posting.
The facts are the FACTS and you have them ALL correct.
What took place was a clear cut case of prosecutable MURDER.
Quit making excuses for murdering the guy. One bad cop just sent race relations back 50 years. But also the rioters are helping reelect Donald Trump. I thank them for that.
I think what Grey_Whiskers is DEFENDING is the RULE of LAW!
By the way... what time is the KKK meeting at your place?
The government has the burden of proving each and every element of its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
At this point, there appears to be substantial evidence which has come to light allowing the defense to challenge the government’s proof of its case on a murder charge beyond a reasonable doubt on multiple elements.
Whoever is representing the officer should be insisting that they also get a shot at having their expert conduct an autopsy. Three different experts conducting three different autopsies which come to three vastly different conclusions will raise reasonable doubts all over the place.
Much of the evidence presently being used to argue the officer is culpable will not be admissible. For example, previous complaints are not going to be admissible. If the complaints actually resulted in affirmative findings of misconduct, that could potentially be admissible. But so far I haven’t heard about substantiated complaints.
Meanwhile, the defense will be working hard to come up with a theory with the bad facts in Floyd’s background—and there appear to be a lot of them—are admissible. I predict they will succeed in getting at least some of those bad facts admitted.
I think DA Freeman will prove quite correct when he suggested the government might well turn out not to be in a position to prove each element of a murder case beyond a reasonable doubt.
“”””Yeah, that’s kinda open-and-shut on murder 3, no matter how the guy’s heart stopped.””””
How come? I was familiar with the rather scandalous similar case in Russia about 15 years ago. The cops were running a big operation against crack houses and one of the junkies detained refused to get into cruiser and a cop pushed him with a baton into abdomen and the rest shoved him into a car. He became sick and fell unconsciousness upon delivering to a station. Later died in hospital and autopsy said fractured spleen. The junkie appeared to be a nephew of some senator and he went ballistic over it, called the governor, every attorney, judge, had a precinct chief fired and so on. At the same time an expert testified that although the police action likely contributed to the outcome the victim’s organs were in poor condition due to a drug abuse and he could easily die the same way just sneezing too hard. The case against officers dragged for quite some time under pressure from a senator but ended in nothing anyway. The cops then sued judiciary and won a hefty settlement. And that is Russia. I think US has higher judicial standards.
I agree that the officer might have acted wrong in Floyd’s case but you can’t prosecute him for murder if there is no direct connection between his actions and the resulting death.
Heh it would have been some other “crisis” and the same result. Once the Covid 19 crisis failed and States were opening back up, there had to be another “crisis” and this was it.
“One bad cop just sent race relations back 50 years.”
I thought Obama did that?
Ah, it’s always something and someone and some media sensationalist crap that sets racial relations back...
Apparently you don’t think he’s doing that adequately enough.
+1
Is the KKK even relevant anymore? I think they’re just democrat reps and senators now.
Good work defending the "Rule of Law".. intelligent POV to say the least.
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Race Relations were bad before this..
And there’s no evidence race was involved. That leap in logic demonstrates a great double standard.
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Thanks for your work on this thread.
The two ME reports are not as far apart from each other as you think. Hennepin ME states that the restraint was a contributing factor and Baden says it was the cause, but they both state homicide.
Chauving was questioned by a junior officer about being worried about “excited delirium” and repositioning him on his side (per training and policy) and was brushed off.
Drugs can cause excited delirium. Excited delirium and restraint in prone positioning are the textbook cause of restraint asphyxiation.
I think the defense is going to have a very hard time with the expert witnesses and the prosecution is not going to have a hard time with the Hennepin ME.
And at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because of the almost 3 minutes of neck restraint after the victim goes limp and no pulse on tape. Can you hold your breath for 2 minutes and 50 seconds. That’s what they are going to ask the jury.
An “COVID-unemployed” black man driving a Mercedes SUV.
I smell Russian Collusion.
And you are utterly irretrievably wrong about US caselaw. The doctrine of the fragile egg I think it's called. You cannot predicate your treatment on "the average person" but must consider the actual person within your custody.
That post itself is further trolling, as you are attempting to deflect onto me.
To cover for a a policeman who kneeled on the neck of a dying man instead of giving first aid as required by law.
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