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‘Designating’ Antifa a Terrorist Organization Is a Bad Idea
National Review ^ | 8/31/2017 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 05/31/2020 12:48:14 PM PDT by EBH

I know this sounds crazy, but Donald Trump will not be president forever. In fact, he hasn’t been president that long . . . meaning, it was not so long ago that we were dealing with an Obama administration — and its media-Democrat pom-pom squads — that regarded limited-government conservatives, Second Amendment proponents, and many veterans returning from overseas military service as “right-wing extremists” who posed a threat of “domestic terrorism.” Someday, maybe sooner than we’d like to think, Democrats are going to be in power again. Do we really want to give them enhanced federal powers to harass ideological opponents under the guise of “designating” domestic terrorist threats?

Right this minute, in terms of confronting Antifa or any other domestic terrorist organization, we have a more robust array of state and federal law-enforcement powers than we have ever had. Moreover, coordination between federal and state law-enforcement and national-security officers is as good as it has ever been. All that is required to gut Antifa is the will to do it — the will to say, “Regardless of our disparate political views, we Americans draw the line at violent extortion that eviscerates our right to speak, assemble, and engage in constitutionally protected political activity.”

I’d humbly suggest we work on that, rather than wasting our energy on meaningless and potentially counterproductive theater like designating domestic terrorist organizations.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antifa; domesticterrorism; terrorists
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To: EBH

And wasn’t NRO the magazine with the cover “Against Trump” a couple years back?

It’d be interesting to see who is paying this fellow’s salary these days.


121 posted on 05/31/2020 7:13:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: EBH

If they commit domestic terrorism, wouldn’t it follow that the designation might be appropriate? Or do we simply live out what is rest of our lives under a veil of euphemism and failure? Are we not men?


122 posted on 05/31/2020 7:54:53 PM PDT by Richard Axtell (I am at a loss, how much lower will they go before all hell breaks loose?)
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To: rintintin

The slippery slope already happened. We already know that this is what they have labeled anybody who doesn’t agree with them. They just didn’t name all the groups, they called them right wing extremists with a few honorable mentions. They pushed the credit card companies and PayPal and the like to stop certain purchases that were still legal or to stop founding of their political enemies on the grounds that they are haters, racist, nazis, and what ever other false label they could throw out there, and if you don’t fight back against it, they grow stronger and stronger by default that no one shows up for the fight at the higher levels of government. People should realize we are in a fight for the survival of our country and what is left of western civilization which has been in decay for many decades if not a century or more. It’s now all or nothing and our enemies(and yes Russia and China are no doubt helping as well) are the one dictating the terms of the battle field which is a terrible position to be in.


123 posted on 05/31/2020 8:18:07 PM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: IncPen
Jack Dorsey is not really a very good executive.
Twitters financial performance has not been that good.
In their Q 1 2020, they made a small loss on revenues down 20%. Market cap is still only $25 Billion.
By comparison, other tech giants like Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, Facebook all had rising revenues and profits in Q1, with Microsoft and Google posting nearly $10 billion in net profits.
When you compare Twitter’s $25 billion in market cap to Google, Apple, Microsoft's market caps of over $1 Trillion they are not even on the same planet.
Twitter is not in a very good financial position for a protracted war with anyone, let alone with the Trump administration.
Dorsey thinks he is still a frat boy in school.
Twitter dismissed Dorsey once before. They could do it again.
124 posted on 05/31/2020 8:45:56 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: All

I think Andy feels passed over for something.

He’ll be proven wrong on this one.


125 posted on 05/31/2020 8:47:26 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: grey_whiskers

The author of this article, Andrew McCartey is on that list.
126 posted on 05/31/2020 8:59:25 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: jacknhoo
Awful lot of tolerance around these days...for anti-American totalitarian authoritarianism.

Yeah. From the media, the Democrats and far left anarchists like ANTIFA.
For America to survive as a thriving, successful Republic, ANTIFA has to die.

127 posted on 05/31/2020 9:08:46 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: EBH

Chamberlain would be proud of you.


128 posted on 05/31/2020 9:13:59 PM PDT by CottonBall (A Republican's power comes from your prosperity. A Democrat's power comes from your poverty.f)
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To: Albion Wilde

You probably think the moon is bigger than the sun too right?


129 posted on 05/31/2020 9:14:24 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Agreed. The simplest explanation about Twitter is that they have no sustainable revenue model. Zero, zip, nada.

In my view they could be the ‘news media’ of the future. A simple micro-payment per tweet or monthly unlimited subscription would suffice. Unregulated platform, user-configurable and they’d be good to go.

If the price gets down to $5 or so I’d buy with both hands, because someone— maybe even trump— would buy it for the installed user base and utterly transform it.


130 posted on 05/31/2020 9:25:03 PM PDT by IncPen ("Inside of every progressive is a Totalitarian screaming to get out" ~ David Horowitz)
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To: a fool in paradise

I believe that is what Trump has in mind. The RICO law offers a wide range of remedies such as civil injunctions, asset seizures, and criminal prosecutions based on participation in a criminal enterprise. In this instance, Antifa will be described as a domestic terrorist organization in order to explain that in violating criminal laws, it aims not at material gain like the Mafia but at causing political disruption and intimidating political opponents. This will help to identify RICO predicate offenses and to seize assets.


131 posted on 05/31/2020 9:39:49 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: EBH

Frankly it gives them publicity, that is the drawback I see. THey do need to be declared a danger and not just be this subconscious threat that people can forget conveniently, but the real culprits are the self appointed social media censor experts, fact checkers, police with chip on shoulder , liberals with pure white soul race Jesus lamb complex of moral superiority etc.

I can also name Rep Crenshaw who wants a legislation to use experts to target ahead potentially dangerous people.

THese people are the real machines manufacturing the expert organizations who end up being terroristic in language since they forbid input from the patient, from the tax payer, from the commoner as if we were dummies.

Antifa is only following the script of these idiot legislators who are knee jerking with totalitarianism and rule making that the Founders would flat out reject.


132 posted on 06/01/2020 2:35:51 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: SmokingJoe

His point that the Democrats will then use the law to go after every legitimate organization on the right certainly struck a chord with me. If the GOP hadn’t impeached Bill Clinton, it wouldn’t have set the modern precedent that has been used against Trump. There must have been some other way to deal with him; impeachment is for presidents capable of shame, such as Nixon, who stepped down rather than be impeached. The GOP miscalculated when it came to Bill Clinton—absolutely incapable of shame.


133 posted on 06/01/2020 4:51:53 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Some of these people, I met them -- zero interest, Okay? Like zero." -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde
Except that the Democrats tried to impeach Nixon long before Clinton was impeached. There is nothing that Nixon did that Obama didn't do a thousand times worse, as we are finding from the now declassified documents from The DNI.

Obama spied on the Trump campaign. Period. And he still wasn't impeached.
Not to mention Republican President Andrew Johnson(the guy who succeeded Abraham Lincoln) was also impeached by the Democrats for no reason.
So don't lecture me on Bill Clinton's impeachment.

134 posted on 06/01/2020 5:07:15 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Albion Wilde
He has no point.
Obama used the IRS to terrorize Tea Party members. He also used FISA and The Patriot Act to spy on his political rivals.
The Democrats have been doing this sh*t for decades anyways.
They will continue to do it whether President Trump goes after ANTIFA or not.
Not destroying ANTIFA now would be really stupid.
135 posted on 06/01/2020 5:13:38 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m saying, use existing RICO law or any other existing law rather than hastily create a new exposure that would bring even more punishment on conservatives.

I agree McCarthy is a wack job NeverTrumper. But that doesn’t make him wrong about everything, including “and” and “the”, as the saying goes.

If there is a compelling reason legally why RICO will not suffice, I hope some freeper will explain it to me.

As a poster noted above, there is an angle around which existing international terrorism law may be used if they find connections to foreign funding. It’s not hard to imagine that the Soros operation has financial ties to foreign funds.


136 posted on 06/01/2020 6:37:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Some of these people, I met them -- zero interest, Okay? Like zero." -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: EBH

“Regardless of our disparate political views, we Americans draw the line at violent extortion that eviscerates our right to speak, assemble, and engage in constitutionally protected political activity.”

I failed to see the word “peaceably” in this statement. Antifa forfeits their rights when they set fire to public and private property and beat women over the heads with ball bats.


137 posted on 06/01/2020 6:45:47 AM PDT by JenB987
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To: be-baw
i>Anyone know how designating Antifa a terrorist group makes any difference? What would that allow the feds to do that they couldn’t before?

Hopefully get rid of all the Doom-N-Gloom Eeyores on FR? :-D

138 posted on 06/01/2020 9:33:18 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: SmokingJoe

You seem to think that Democrats play by the same rules as Republicans. That is manifestly untrue, as they demonstrate daily.


139 posted on 06/01/2020 9:55:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Some of these people, I met them -- zero interest, Okay? Like zero." -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

Being declared domestic terrorists has nothing to do with whether they are funded by foreign interests are not.
You are confused on this one.


140 posted on 06/01/2020 10:10:51 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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