Sun lockdown: Is a solar minimum really going to bring famine, freezing temps, and droughts to Earth?

PennLive.com ^ | May 16, 2020 | Greg Pickel

[bolobaby]

Junk science that defies even simple common sense really pisses me off. Try to follow the BS with these guys...

Grand solar minimums can cause a mini ice age, but DON'T WORRY! Despite the fact that mini ice ages lower global temperatures an average of 3.6 degree fahrenheit, the effects of a grand solar minimum are offset by...

Ready for this?

THREE years of AGW impact!

That's right folks, in 10 years, the AGW impact is enough to offset more than THREE mini ice ages, or more than 10 degrees worth of cooling impact.

Think about that for .0002 nanoseconds. Great. If you are not a liberal - meaning you have more than half a brain - you'd recognize that means according to this argument, AGW is having a 10 degree impact on global temperatures per decade.

LOL.

Even in their worst-case fantasy doomsday models, there is no "one degree per year warming" impact.

Yet they pass this off with a straight face and conservatives who question it are "anti-science."

[a little elbow grease]

Even in their worst-case fantasy doomsday models, there is no "one degree per year warming" impact. Yet they pass this off with a straight face and conservatives who question it are "anti-science."

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It is a lot easier to take if you wear a mask.

[a little elbow grease]

That's right folks, in 10 years, the AGW

AGW -- Agonizing Greasy Wax

[montag813]

A single volcanic eruption in 2018 put more “greenhouse gases” into the atmosphere than the entire year of Chinese emissions.

[PeteB570]

I was tooling right along with everything - pretty much stock for anyone following the subject.

And then they took the left hand train wreck into global warming ........

[joma89]

And the leftist scientists have come full circle in their fear mongering back to global cooling.

JoMa

[cpdiii]

Penn State is where “The Great Hoax” Micheal Mann is.

[ConservativeInPA]

Greg Pickel, the author of this drivel, got his start blogging about sports. The Patriot News hires people like this because they can’t afford anyone else. Consider the source and how they operate. Editor: “I heard about this sunspot thing. Mr. Pickel, use your vast scientific knowledge you learned in elementary school to write a story to scare people. Yeah that’s the ticket. We need to scare people with something new since climate change and corona-virus doesn’t work on our gullible readers anymore.”

[Travis McGee]

At least they are reporting it, sort of hedging their bets.

It’s a baby step, but it’s a step.

[palmer]

A single volcanic eruption in 2018 put more “greenhouse gases” into the atmosphere than the entire year of Chinese emissions.

Not true, even if you count water vapor as part of the "greenhouse gases". Mainly because water vapor from evaporation is many orders of magnitude higher than volcanoes and there volcanic water vapor doesn't matter.

For comparison, the huge Pinatubo eruption put out 42 Mt CO2 http://pubs.usgs.gov/pinatubo/gerlach/ China's CO2 was 11 Gt in 2017.

[palmer]

THREE years of AGW impact!

You're right that it is good to see it mentioned. The three years is of course wrong in many ways. The dip in solar TSI alone is at least 0.1% whereas the entire increase in greenhouse effect so far is 900 / 160,000 or 0.56% rise. Three years worth of manmade CO2 will give us a rise of about 8 ppm which is about 3 / 160,000 or 0.002% For comparison the sun is 80,000 (all number in TW)

But they are also ignoring the effect of low solar on weather which causes even more cooling. That said, the solar dip isn't going to push us into a Little Ice Age or we would see some effects already. Instead there is a lot less snow over Siberia and other signs of warmth.

[Dahoser]

Greg Pickel, the author of this drivel, got his start blogging about sports. The Patriot News hires people like this because they can’t afford anyone else. Consider the source and how they operate. Editor: “I heard about this sunspot thing. Mr. Pickel, use your vast scientific knowledge you learned in elementary school to write a story to scare people. Yeah that’s the ticket. We need to scare people with something new since climate change and corona-virus doesn’t work on our gullible readers anymore.”

The truly horrifying part of this article is not what Pickel writes, per se, but that he gets his information directly from NASA through their their Global Climate Change blog which a seriously hardcore man-made global warming propaganda site run by JPL.

Here is a screenshot of the current homepage. Note the alarming stats along the bottom.

For his article, Pickel quotes from a February 2020 NASA Global Climate Change blog post entitled "There Is No Impending 'Mini Ice Age' that he calls a "full report."

The garbage in the blog post itself is bad enough, but check out this exchange with one of the commenters.

Jeff Hine
"Just making sure I understand the premise. We are in fact in a minimum that would in fact cool temperatures, possibly substantially, but our current global warming is negating those effects, correct?"

NASA Climate Change
Correct. The change in solar forcing from solar peak to Grand Solar Minimum is about -0.1W/m2, which would be made up in just 3 years of current CO2 concentration growth.

What this means, in plain English: the warming caused by the greenhouse gas emissions from the human burning of fossil fuels is 6 times greater than the possible decades-long cooling from a prolonged Grand Solar Minimum.

Even if a Grand Solar Minimum were to last for a century, global temperatures would still continue to warm. Because the Sun is not the only factor affecting global temperatures on Earth. [emphasis added]

[21twelve]

6(?) years ago, Chinese emissions of CO2 from abandoned burning coal mines was more than all of the emissions of USA’s cars and trucks.

[ConservativeInPA]

The truly horrifying part of this article is not what Pickel writes, per se, but that he gets his information directly from NASA

Exactly my point. His ignorance is apparent from the sources he quotes.

[bolobaby]

I was just b!tching to my wife that this BS is straight from NASA - the org that once sent men to the moon using slide rules.

Now, with the most advanced computing ever, they can’t even come up with a climate model that isn’t over-the-top laughable.

[norwaypinesavage]

"solar scientists estimate it would be about -0.1 W/m2, the same impact of about three years of current carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration growth."

The entire article is simply more Fake News from Fake Scientists. It has long been known that the actual change in energy received from the sun due to the Solar Cycle is inconsequential relative to the total energy reaching the earth. Yet it has also long been known that the earth's temperature is much more sensitive to the Solar Cycle than would be determined by the solar energy received.

So why the discrepancy? It is well known that the Solar Cycle has a strong effect on 'cosmic rays' reaching earth. The Solar Cycle is caused by changes in the magnetic structure of the sun, and it also alters the magnetic structure of the earth which protects us from the cosmic radiation that can harm astronauts and satellite communication. Though the actual change in energy received is negligible, the effects of this may be larger. A factor being studied is cloud cover. There is come evidence that cloud cover can be altered by this change and that may explain the temperature effect. This may indeed have the ability "to bring famine, freezing temps, and droughts to Earth".

Or, it may not. Just don't let Fake News from Fake Scientists be a factor in your understanding of it.

[TnTnTn]

BS .....we are in a solar minimum but co2 isn’t driving global warming...

[Arlis]

Didn’t I read somewhere that in spite of man-made sources of CO2 like vehicles has dropped 75% or so due to the virus shutdown, CO2 levels are continuing to rise?

If true, again proving that high CO2 levels are NOT man-produced?

[TStro]

Atmospheric CO2 spikes about 800 years after global temperatures spike in the normal long solar cycle. This is because the largest sink of CO2 is in the oceans, and it takes that long for the oceans to warm enough to off-gas the CO2. Like liar Gore said in his lying documentary where the graphs are not overlaid but placed over and below, “It’s complicated”. Because the overlay would show the delay between the two factor.

[Arlis]

Wow. Thanks. Who would have known that?