Posted on 03/31/2020 7:06:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
How many people die after being infected with the novel coronavirus? Fewer than previously calculated, according to a study released Monday, but still more than die from the flu.
The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die.
That coronavirus death rate, which is lower than earlier estimates, takes into account potentially milder cases that often go undiagnosed -- but it's still far higher than the 0.1% of people who are killed by the flu.
When undetected infections aren't taken into account, the Lancet study found that the coronavirus death rate was 1.38%, which is more consistent with earlier reports.
Early in March, for example, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that "if you just do the math, the math is about 2%."
But he emphasized that the number could go down, saying that "as a group it's going to depend completely on what the factor of asymptomatic cases are."
That's because death rates typically only consider reported coronavirus cases, which tend to be more severe, and thus brought to the attention of health care workers. Asymptomatic cases -- or mild cases -- may not always be counted.
In this study, researchers tried to estimate the true "infection fatality rate." In other words, out of everybody infected -- not just those sick enough to get tested -- how many people will die?
To find out, researchers looked at how widespread infections were among people repatriated to their home countries on flights from Wuhan, China.
According to the study, these people received PCR tests -- a test that would be able to identify how many travelers were shedding the virus, even if they didn't show symptoms.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
This :”The research, published in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases, estimated that about 0.66% of those infected with the virus will die
And this:
“Early in March, for example, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said that “if you just do the math, the math is about 2%.”
And this:
“That's because death rates typically only consider reported coronavirus cases, which tend to be more severe, and thus brought to the attention of health care workers. Asymptomatic cases — or mild cases — may not always be counted.”
Bottom line?
Any figures about death rates etc that you hear from thees guys is of very little value.And ignore anything that comes out of Fauci's mouth.
When this ends, each death will account for $10-100 million of lost global economic value.
But hey, “if we could just save ONE person’s life”
Soldiers brought Spanish Flu here. Thats why China said they started the Chinese Flu. Laughable.
They probably included the invented CCP numbers in their calculations.
A population mortality rate has no predictive power for something that is new.
Ironic since the old "Stay Alive - Drive 55" meme of the '60s/'70s has long passed and now folks are wanting even higher limits - seems like those who are panicking need to march to go back to the good old days when trips took a lot longer...but saved lives....when is one potential life-saving set of actions worth more than another - when folks are lied to about one of them and buy into the panic...and let's not get into the fatality rates/numbers of "life-saving abortions"...
CNN, the garbage dump of the network.
Would you tell us your secret in determining which set of numbers and/or modeling data set is accurate? I think I know, but I want to be sure.
I’m thinking if the models/numbers tend toward the greater numbers of deaths, you Corona Clowns use them. If they tend to predict fewer deaths, you all claim them to be fake.
Is that pretty close?
d;^)>
It’s an agenda, not a thought process.
Stop posting your bogus stats. You aren’t including South Korea which has the single most accurate statistic because they’ve had the most widespread testing. And they are right around the 1 and a fraction percent this article states. But this article is absolutely right that the true death rate absolutely has to go down once asymptomatic cases are factored in.
Worth repeating.
The flu season of 2012-2013, when Obama was president, killed 56,000 people according to the CDC. We’re currently at 165,000 cases with 1.9% dying from it. We’ll have to have 3,000,000 cases to equal the 2012-2013 flu, about 18 times what we currently have.
Of course the number of cases will go up, but will it reach 3,000,000?
We live in East King County where this thing first took off in the country when it hit the vulnerable population at the Life Care Center in Kirkland, a place that my wife and I used to go to frequently both as volunteers and for pay.. While deaths and serious illness are still increasing in the rest of the state things have levelled off here and in Snohomish County where the person with the very first case in the country was discovered.
I was talking to my best friend on the phone last night. He is a battalion chief on the fire department that I retired from, but he also works for FEMA on a regular basis. For the past two weeks he has been working in the regional command center 7 days a week, for 12 hours a day. He has access to better tracking information than is released to the press and the public about hospital capacity, capability, and the numbers of beds available.
One of the interesting things that he told me was about the number of persons currently infected on the fire department that I used to work for. One person was infected from contacts off the job and developed symptoms. He came to work anyway despite having attended classes and reading special orders that instructed people not to do this. He was also socializing and even went on a day long car trip with other members of the department. This one person managed to infect over ten other persons on the fire department. He is the only one in this group who tested positive that has developed any symptoms so far, but all of them are now under quaranteen and unable to work.
One of the things that my friend mentioned was that the death rate here was turning out to be far lower than what was originally expected. And then I saw this thread this morning. As I mentioned, only one of the people infected on the department has any symptoms and the majority will no doubt test negative soon without ever developing symptoms. They were only tested because of their proximity to one other employee, so most would never have been counted in a study of lethlity.
S.Korea’s CFR has risen to 1.7% (162 deaths / 9786 known cases) and yes, they’ve done a ton of testing so their Case numbers will reflect more asymptomatic cases than others.
SK is not in my numbers because I only posted the countries with the largest case counts. SKorea’s aggressive testing and containment has kept them out of the top tier.
“I swear I read somewhere that Chloroquine decreases recovery time from 10 days to 3 days.”
The flu has treatment plans, Coronavirus does not.
If the Medication does work, it would make the Coronavirus like a flu.
I read it could reduce the recovery time by 6 days. I wonder what the average recovery time without treatment.
I guess you’re taking a Rick Astley approach to the panic!
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
CNN is such full of BS.
Next headlines will be: Killer Gnomes Don’t Really Live Under Your Bed, But They Could
I believe if we can ever get some "real" numbers on people infected we'll find out that this is bad, but no-where near as bad as it has been made out to be. It probably is at least as bad as a very bad flu season, but I'll bet you a full roll of TP it is not much different than SARS.
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