Posted on 03/22/2020 6:18:50 AM PDT by Kaslin
Great job, President Trump. You've done the impossible. You've turned perhaps the worst crisis in USA history and one of the darkest periods Americans have ever suffered into a show of leadership and a jump in approval.
The latest ABC News/IPSOS poll shows a dramatic turnaround. At 55% to 43%, Americans approve of President Donald Trump's handling of this crisis. The numbers were nearly completely reversed only a week ago. Bravo.
But I have some advice you need to hear.
Now, keep in mind, I'm not one of the people who ever said this was a hoax. It's 100% real. It's a terrible health care crisis and tragedy.
But did it have to be a terrible economic crisis and tragedy, too? And who does that help, exactly? If Grandma, Grandpa or someone you love is sick, critically ill or, God forbid, at death's door, does it help that you've also lost your job, or your small business has just closed? Does it help that you just lost your income or life savings? Do you feel better about a health tragedy if you also have a personal economic tragedy to deal with?
The common-sense answer is of course not.
That's why we should follow the South Korean model, or at least as close to it as possible. The country has had the most success in the world at fighting and surviving the coronavirus pandemic. In a nation of 51 million (about 10 million more than the population of California), South Korea has had under 9,000 cases and under 100 deaths.
So why is the governor of California, Gavin Newsom, predicting that roughly 25.5 million of his citizens will get the virus? On what is he basing that number? If he assumes a 3% mortality rate, he must expect 500,000 to 1 million deaths just in California. But based on what?
And is it irresponsible to scare his citizens half to death with over-the-top, hysterical, worst-worst-worst-case guesses modeled on computers?
Keep in mind the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention predicted over 1,000,000 cases of Ebola in Africa just a few years back. The actual number? Under 30,000. These are guesses on a computer screen -- hysterical, worst-case guesses.
These are two places similar in size, yet the governor of California is expecting a million deaths in his state versus under 100 deaths in South Korea? And Newsom is shutting down the state and California's economy based on those wild, worst-case guesses?
Even if, God willing, we beat this terrible virus, what's the point if, after it's all over, we face a ruined economy, no job, a bankrupt business, no assets, no way to pay bills? This is madness.
Or what if COVID-19 turns into COVID-20 through COVID-30 and they attack us repeatedly over the next decade? Will we close down the economy twice a year every year?
Try that a few times and we'll all be living in caves, using candles for light and newspapers for toilet paper, and carrying our supplies home on donkey carts. America will be a combination of Venezuela and "Mad Max."
My idea from day one was to put those already sick, the elderly, those with compromised immune systems and those at highest risk in quarantine for one to two months.
But ask and encourage everyone else -- the young, the healthy, business owners and their employees -- to carry on and live life. Those least at risk should be asked to keep their businesses open, keep the economy going, go out to eat, keep their communities' small businesses in business, all so the sick, elderly and at-risk population have something to come back to in one to two months.
That's a Winston Churchill-like, stiff-upper-lip response.
I dare you to ask all those who are now laid off, jobless or with shuttered businesses whether they'd be willing to risk getting sick, or even risk a small chance of dying if they could get their business or job back. I'm betting the answer from a vast majority would be an emphatic YES! Let's put the heroes of the American business world to work!
The healthy need to go on living. We need to keep commerce going. Someone has to pay the bills and taxes, or our nation will be in ruins -- even if we beat this monster.
I found out yesterday from Dr. Mehmet Oz, a brilliant, breath-of-fresh-air guest on my national radio show, that this is almost exactly the plan carried out in South Korea. The sick and at-risk were quarantined. Everyone else went to work. No businesses were closed. No economy was shut down. Now there's under 100 dead in a country of 51 million. And they still have their economy and jobs.
So, Mr. President, please study the South Korean model. Let's not ruin the greatest country and economy in world history. The business of America is business. Let's get back to it -- while we protect the most vulnerable and fight this terrible virus with everything we've got.
Leadership.
Yes, all these mathematical “models” are as full of crap as climate change......FReepers who “model” the Wuhan Virus included.
The left would call that racist and the right would call it unjustified surveillance.
We are not South Korea and cannot do the kind of in depth 2 hr 50 deep contact tracing they do. Also, once you are put in mandatory isolation in SK what are the penalties for breaking it.
Sorry, I missed where it said this was a Flubros thread.
Yes and genually caring.
The number of new deaths everyday is not a “model”. It’s a fact.
Everyone’s smarter than Trump these days, on both sides of the aisle.
I agree. Causing economic disaster only adds to the human suffering.
In order to follow the SK model you’ve got to have lots of tests available on Day 1. We did not.
Did Trump ever say Coronavirus was a hoax?
The number of new deaths everyday is not a “model”. It’s a fact.
The 4 trillion spent in just a week are facts too. That works out to billions per death.
How do you feel about that?
The “We’re all going to die and we must shut down the country” is definitely a hoax. For some hoaxers it is done with good intentions and others have nefarious political motivations. It matters not in the end what motivations there are. The economy is destroyed and we are facing 20% unemployment thanks to the Kung Flu Panic of 2020.
Tracking the Coronavirus:
How Crowded Asian Cities Tackle an Epidemic (Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan) New York Times ^ | March 17 2020 | Hanna Beech Posted on 3/17/2020, 10:16:30 PM by rintintin
Two hours. That’s all the time medical teams in Singapore are given to uncover the first details of how patients contracted the coronavirus and which people they might infect.
The NYS (slimes) expectedly in reporting did not go into what Singapore was doing which is not responding to the CComWuVi (Chinese Communist Wuhan Virus) by shutdowns wrecking its economy by closing shops and these postings do and explain what and how Singapore and other cities are doing which is well worth a look.
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edited, My sister in law lives in Singapore. This is for real. They have people assigned at entrances with hand held infra-red heat guns. She said she was scanned 5 times just today. Anyone who displays a high body temp are isolated and asked who they have been with? How long they felt like this? If they ever coughed in public ?. The shelves in stores are full and there is no panic. From what she says. This is a very effective and organized way to handle the crisis.
. Trump I love him Maybe we could learn a lot from Singapore.
7 posted on 3/17/2020, 10:40:11 PM by Bommer
Here’s another detailed posting from another site http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3826755/posts#6
But using the number of deaths to project forward is "modeling" and nonsense.
Calculating the value of human life at $.02 per life we should just take everybody over 60 out and shoot them and let everybody get a two week cold. Devoid emotion it is the “logical” thing to do. Unfortunately we tend to be emotional. Myself, I have done parachuting, scuba diving, rappelling into caves, and mountain climbing. Understanding the risks and mitigating them into “negligible” let’s you accomplish just about anything you desire. Rappelling without rope is an experience you only get once.
And your preferred method is what?
NYC is not doing what Singapore does because the mayor is an incompetent jackass. As much as I despise with all of my being Andrew Cuomo, he is taking an aggressive plan to try to stop this spread. I live in NY, and part of the problem of why we have so many infections is because NY is a sanctuary state with a lot of Chinese and illegals. And now for the really racist and xenophobic part, the illegals are not clean. They cough, do not wash their hands and live in disgusting cramped housing in dense areas. I see them every day. I am holed up in my house washing down doorknobs and clothes each time I go out. The leftist policies of open borders and reckless welfare spending caused the Wuhan virus to proliferate in NY and CA the way it has. And the economic effect is already devastating. God only knows how long it will take to recover.
Is not trying to forecast something using incomplete data. Focus on containment, treatment and prevention.
The forecasts are junk science....as evidenced by some saying Wuhan Virus is a nothingburger while others believe it could kill millions.
Science does not know enough about this strain to make any predictions.
You would expect the curves for asymptomatic, mild, seriously ill, and deaths to have some sort of relationship to one another, surely. It would be a strange universe indeed if they all had different slopes.
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