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New climate models suggest Paris goals may be out of reach
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | January 13, 2020 | by Marlowe Hood

Posted on 01/14/2020 8:54:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

Paris - New climate models show carbon dioxide is a more potent greenhouse gas than previously understood, a finding that could push the Paris treaty goals for capping global warming out of reach, scientists have told AFP.

Developed in parallel by separate teams in half-a-dozen countries, the models -- which will underpin revised UN temperature projections next year -- suggest scientists have for decades consistently underestimated the warming potential of CO2.

Vastly more data and computing power has become available since the current Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projections were finalised in 2013.

"We have better models now," Olivier Boucher, head of the Institut Pierre Simon Laplace Climate Modelling Centre in Paris, told AFP, adding that they "represent current climate trends more accurately".

"If you think the new models give a more realistic picture, then it will, of course, be harder to achieve the Paris targets, whether it is 1.5 or two degrees Celsius," scientist Mark Zelinka told AFP.

Zelinka, from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, is the lead author of the first peer-reviewed assessment of the new generation of models, published earlier this month in Geophysical Research Letters.

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1 posted on 01/14/2020 8:54:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"We're doomed!"

2 posted on 01/14/2020 8:56:42 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Greta will not be pleased..................😯
3 posted on 01/14/2020 8:57:24 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“a finding that could push the Paris treaty goals for capping global warming out of reach”

consistent with having only 11 years left before every living creature on the planet earth is doomed to destruction ...


4 posted on 01/14/2020 8:57:35 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Let’s see...Oh—“It’s even worse than we thought!”

Must be approaching grant renewal time.

5 posted on 01/14/2020 8:57:58 AM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Nothing can be done about it. Ok then - why all the hysteria?


6 posted on 01/14/2020 8:58:10 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What have you got against models?


7 posted on 01/14/2020 8:58:55 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So they’ll actually have to force India and China to reduce their CO2 emissions?

Good luck with that!


8 posted on 01/14/2020 8:59:38 AM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88

It’s plant food you dummies.


9 posted on 01/14/2020 9:00:51 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CO2 is nothing when compared to water vapor but let’s all ignore that because Al Gore hasn’t figured out a way how to profit from alternative-ocean companies.


10 posted on 01/14/2020 9:02:18 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Out of the depths of leftist hell, I cry to you oh lord!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Not guilty.


11 posted on 01/14/2020 9:02:47 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Out of the depths of leftist hell, I cry to you oh lord!)
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New climate models show carbon dioxide is a more potent greenhouse gas than previously understood

I would think that experiments in the lab or elsewhere might be a better determinant for the potency of carbon dioxide.

A climate model is probably a computer simulation which is programmed to provide output based on inputs. Computer programming seems like a poor way to discover the potency of a greenhouse gas. Unless, of course, the programmer really just wants to show that.

12 posted on 01/14/2020 9:03:43 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

It’s all in the makeup.


13 posted on 01/14/2020 9:03:47 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

time to double down on propaganda


14 posted on 01/14/2020 9:06:41 AM PST by xp38
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To: PGR88
Yup. Exactly why we never see mini climate Nazi Greta shrieking at China or India.


15 posted on 01/14/2020 9:06:44 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Out of the depths of leftist hell, I cry to you oh lord!)
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“Vastly more data and computing power has become available . . .”

The power of the computers used is almost irrelevant compared to the applicability of the models used - in particular, how one models the feedback loops associated with the teeny amount of warming expected for the small increases in CO2 (tens of parts per million over the past few decades).

And how one compares the predictions modeled in those cases depends a whole lot more on the quality of the data used in the evaluation than it does on the amount of that data.

In neither case (the quality of the modeling and the quality of the temperature data) have the alarmists been able to make a sufficiently convincing argument.


16 posted on 01/14/2020 9:09:12 AM PST by Stosh
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“...carbon dioxide is a more potent greenhouse gas than previously understood...”

OK....Let’s pump CO2 into greenhouses so our plants can grow even bigger....


17 posted on 01/14/2020 9:10:06 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Ricky Nelson recorded a song about Greta...”Poor Little Fool”


18 posted on 01/14/2020 9:11:52 AM PST by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Okay, so we can just go about life as we always have...


19 posted on 01/14/2020 9:13:06 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Turn off those damn volcanoes!!
20 posted on 01/14/2020 9:15:01 AM PST by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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