Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

The irony is the SAT was originally created to identify intelligent students who were going to subpar schools.
1 posted on 12/11/2019 3:23:31 AM PST by C19fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: C19fan
Sounds like they have never heard that intelligence is a hereditary trait…
2 posted on 12/11/2019 3:26:37 AM PST by cartan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: All

Based on the same logic and arguments, requiring 2.0 or higher GPA to continue attending UC schools should be eliminated too. When the UC schools were using affirmative action, African-American admittances had a over 50% drop out rate much higher than white and Asian students.


3 posted on 12/11/2019 3:26:42 AM PST by C19fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

And Asians score even higher. I also read that “blacks” from some places not in the US score very high as well.


4 posted on 12/11/2019 3:27:17 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
The SAT and ACT, the lawsuit says, "reflect demographic and socioeconomic characteristics like family income, parental education and race" instead of measuring "academic ability or mastery of curriculum."

True, I did take the SAT back in the 1970s. But I don't think it has changed much, other than to be dumbed down to reflect our declining K-12 education system. I do not remember any questions related to demographics, race, or socioeconomic status. Since the questions are related to mastery of knowledge, the lawsuit is utterly bogus.

Now, if those behind the lawsuit were genuinely concerned about the academic achievement of minorities, wouldn't they be suing the school districts that are failing to prepare students for college? To be fair, much of the academic failure in certain groups is cultural, but I don't know how one can sue a toxic culture for its role in making kids shun the behaviors that lead to success.

5 posted on 12/11/2019 3:39:37 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Line everyone up against a wall and pick students by color. Once they flunk out after about a month, do it again. Some interesting stats should come from that.


7 posted on 12/11/2019 3:49:56 AM PST by Libloather (CHANGE CLIMATE CHANGE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

The abyss of stupidity has no bottom. This affirmative action concept, trying to create laws that correct past injustices by penalizing innocent people, is based on the principle that two wrongs make a right.

That is why you seldom see a white male in any government office.

I was in the post office yesterday. When I was a little kid, post offices were staffed by white males, mostly. Now, white males are long gone.


8 posted on 12/11/2019 3:55:17 AM PST by odawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

What We Know, Are Still Getting Wrong, and Have Yet to Learn about the Relationships among the SAT, Intelligence and Achievement
https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/7/4/26/htm

From the Journal of Intelligence

Abstract: Fifteen years ago, Frey and Detterman established that the SAT (and later, with Koenig, the ACT) was substantially correlated with measures of general cognitive ability and could be used as a proxy measure for intelligence (Frey and Detterman, 2004; Koenig, Frey, and Detterman, 2008). Since that finding, replicated many times and cited extensively in the literature, myths about the SAT, intelligence, and academic achievement continue to spread in popular domains, online, and in some academic administrators. This paper reviews the available evidence about the relationships among the SAT, intelligence, and academic achievement, dispels common myths about the SAT, and points to promising future directions for research in the prediction of academic achievement.


9 posted on 12/11/2019 4:01:01 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

They just can’t destroy California fast enough.


11 posted on 12/11/2019 4:12:29 AM PST by cnsmom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Let’s get rid of the pesky high school diploma thing too.
And free isn’t good enough. Students should be paid minimum wage. Or more.


13 posted on 12/11/2019 5:31:12 AM PST by sasquatch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

They have some crackhead on the radio trying to explain that High School Grades are what really counts. Here in Los Angeles 2/3rds of High School GRADUATES can NOT read, write or count above the 3rd grade level, not sure how it makes them College Ready??


14 posted on 12/11/2019 5:34:10 AM PST by eyeamok
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

Further dumbing-down of higher education. Before long, any idiot can go to college, get a worthless degree and then live in their parents basement.....gg. Oh wait, that sh*t already happening......my bad. /s


18 posted on 12/11/2019 6:48:11 AM PST by cranked
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan
University of California (UC) is legally obligated to provide equal access to all students

They DO provide equal access, to those who perform well in HS, have proper extracurricular activities (PC part) and perform well on a standardized test such as the SAT.

I do not know that the cut off is for the SAT score is at UC but it is a lot higher than 1200.

The SAT is a normative to balance out differences in the lives of the applicants. It should be taken into account with other things within the application. It should not be eliminated but it should not be the end-all of the application.

21 posted on 12/11/2019 7:10:03 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

If California schools don’t like the SAT’s then they can take them out of admission board consideration. Weird they fell they have to sue.


24 posted on 12/11/2019 8:41:02 AM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

To the extent that modern liberal arts curriculums are designed to create Socialist activists, the complainers are 100% correct: why should they be refused a chance at a valuable looters’ credential simply because they lack intelligence? :)


25 posted on 12/11/2019 9:42:38 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: C19fan

The ENTIRE problem, such as it is, for “minority” students applying for college is not in the colleges use of aptitude exams like the SAT and others.

The problem for such students, if an exam like the SAT is a problem for any one of them, rests with the high school they attended. Either that high school provided them with an education that did not adequately prepare them college, or when they attended high school they failed to apply themselves as best they could for what their school had to offer.

Everyone claiming they seek to improve “minorities” chances for getting into college, need to quit the misdirection. They need to work with the high schools and not try to lower the standards to get into college.


26 posted on 12/11/2019 11:01:11 AM PST by Wuli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson