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Vindman says Ukrainians offered him defense minister position
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Posted on 11/19/2019 8:56:01 AM PST by gandalftb

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To: gandalftb

We should find out if the offer is still open, and ship him over.


81 posted on 11/19/2019 10:21:25 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: ottersnot
As many have said, Trump's biggest shortcoming was underestimating the depths of hatred for him by the government careerists, the extremes to which they would go to destroy him, and not thoroughly cleaning house on Day 1.

This approach worked in 1865. It should have been dusted off and modified for re-use in January 2017.


82 posted on 11/19/2019 10:24:27 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Liz

Foreign agent? And in the military no less. Unregistered to boot. Benedict Arnold in our time.


83 posted on 11/19/2019 10:35:49 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: TigerClaws

“” “” You must renounce your Ukrainian citizenship to become an American.”” “”

When did he leave Ukraine? It was USSR at the time. So he is an anti-American Soviet citizen.


84 posted on 11/19/2019 10:38:28 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: gandalftb
"Vindman on former Ukrainian National Security chairman Danylyuck’s offer for the job of defense minister. “It would be a great honor”"

Yes, it would be an honor to be a fox in the hen house.

85 posted on 11/19/2019 10:46:21 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Ann Archy

“WHY would Ukraine offer an « AMERICAN « a post that important????”

Because he’s Ukrainian. He was born there and has learned a great deal about running a real army from his U.S. tax payer funded military education: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/29/trump-allies-attack-loyalty-impeachment-inquiry-witness-because-he-was-born-ukraine/

Similar things happened in the Baltic States after the Iron Curtain collapsed. This stuff has been going on for more than two decades already: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30348945


86 posted on 11/19/2019 10:47:37 AM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: MNJohnnie

He looks a REMF.


87 posted on 11/19/2019 10:56:10 AM PST by MGunny (l)
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To: All

WIKI Alexander Vindman
BORN Alexander Semenovich Vindman
June 6, 1975 (age 44)
Kiev, Soviet Union (now Ukraine)
Education Binghamton University (BA)
Cornell University
Harvard University (MPA)

Allegiance United States
Branch/service United States Army
Years of service 1999–present
Rank US-O5 insignia.svg Lieutenant Colonel

Alexander Semyon Vindman (born June 6, 1975)[1] is a United States Army lieutenant colonel who serves as the Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council (NSC). Vindman came to national attention in October 2019 when he testified before the United States Congress regarding the Trump–Ukraine scandal.

Commissioned in 1999 as an infantry officer, Vindman received a Purple Heart medal for wounds he received from an IED attack in the Iraq War in 2004.[2][3] Vindman became a foreign area officer specializing in Eurasia in 2008, and assumed his current position as Director for European Affairs with the NSC in 2018.

Early life and education
Alexander Semyon Vindman (né Aleksandr Semenovich Vindman) and his identical twin brother Yevgeny were born to a Jewish family in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, Soviet Union.[3] After the death of their mother, the three-year-old twins and their older brother Leonid were brought to New York in December 1979 by their father, Semyon (Simon). They grew up in Brooklyn’s “Little Odessa” neighborhood. A photograph of the twins with their maternal grandmother briefly appears in the Ken Burns documentary The Statue of Liberty.[3] Vindman speaks fluent Russian and Ukrainian.[4][5]

Vindman graduated from the State University of New York at Binghamton with a bachelor of arts degree in 1998.[2][3] He received a commission into the Army’s Infantry Branch in January 1999.[2] He later received a master of arts degree from Harvard University in Russian, Eastern European and Central Asian studies.[3]

Career

Vindman (far left) at the 2019 inauguration of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky
After graduating from State University of New York at Binghamton in 1998, Vindman joined the United States Army and became a career Army officer.[3] He completed the Infantry Officer Basic Course (IOBC) at Fort Benning in 1999 and deployed the next year to South Korea, where he commanded infantry and an anti-armor platoon.[3] In addition to overseas deployments to South Korea and Germany, Vindman is a combat veteran.[3] He was deployed to Iraq to take part in the Iraq War from September 2004 to September 2005.[2] In October 2004,[2] he sustained an injury from a roadside bomb in Iraq, for which he received a Purple Heart.[3] He was promoted to the rank of major in 2008,[6] and to lieutenant colonel in September 2015.[7]

During his Army career, Vindman earned the Ranger Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, and Parachutist Badge, as well as four Army Commendation Medals and two Defense Meritorious Service Medals.[2]

Beginning in 2008, Vindman became a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this capacity he served in the U.S. embassies in Kiev, Ukraine, and Moscow, Russia. Returning to Washington, D.C. he was then a politico-military affairs officer focused on Russia for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Vindman served on the Joint Staff at the Pentagon from September 2015 to July 2018.[2] In July 2018, Vindman accepted an assignment with the National Security Council.[8] In his role on the NSC, Vindman became part of the U.S. delegation at the inauguration of the Ukraine’s newly elected President, Volodymyr Zelensky. The five-member delegation, led by Rick Perry, United States Secretary of Energy, also included Kurt Volker, then U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations, Gordon Sondland, United States Ambassador to the European Union, and Joseph Pennington, then acting chargé d’affaires.[9][10]

Vindman was subpoenaed to testify before Congressional investigators on October 29, 2019, as part of the U.S. House of Representatives’ impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.[11][12] He is the first White House official to testify who was actually on a July 25, 2019, telephone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which Trump asked Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, who is campaigning for President. Based on his opening statement, obtained in advance by The New York Times, Vindman’s testimony corroborates previous testimony from Fiona Hill, his former manager, and William B. Taylor Jr., acting Ambassador to Ukraine.[13]

Trump–Ukraine testimony
Main article: Trump–Ukraine scandal
On October 28, 2019, Vindman’s opening statement to a closed session of the House Intelligence Committee, House Foreign Affairs Committee, and House Oversight Committee was released, ahead of his testimony the following day. Vindman testified that: “In Spring of 2019, I became aware of outside influencers promoting a false and alternative narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency,” which was “harmful to U.S. national security” and also “undermined U.S. Government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.”[8]

Official Opening Statement of Lieutenant Colonel Alexander S. Vindman Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, and the House Committee on Oversight and Reform October 29, 2019 (released October 28, 2019)
Vindman states that, additionally, he was concerned by two events, both to which he objected to senior officials in real time, and which he reported to the National Security Council’s lead attorney. The first event occurred at a July 10 meeting between Ukraine’s then Secretary of National Security and Defense Council Oleksandr Danylyuk, and then US National Security Advisor John Bolton, at which Ambassadors Volker and Sondland, and Energy Secretary Rick Perry were in attendance, and at which Sondland asked Ukraine to launch investigations into the Bidens in order to get a meeting with President Trump. Vindman states that Bolton cut the meeting short, and that both he and Fiona Hill told Ambassador Sondland that his comments were inappropriate, and that he reported the concerns to the NSC’s lead counsel.[14]

The second event occurred on a July 25 phone call between Presidents Trump and Zelensky. Vindman states, “I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. Government’s support of Ukraine. I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security.” Vindman also stated that he reported his concern to the NSC’s lead counsel, John Eisenberg.[8]

Vindman later testified in person before the US House of Representatives on November 19, 2019.[15] In his testimony, Vindman stated that he made a report to an intelligence official about what he heard during Trump’s call with the Ukrainian President and felt what the President mentioned during the phone conversation was “improper.”[16][17]

Personal life
Vindman is married. His identical twin brother, Yevgeny S. Vindman, is an Army lieutenant colonel and JAG Officer who is assigned as an attorney on the National Security Council staff handling ethics issues.[3][18] Vindman has an older brother, Leonid Vindman, who was also commissioned as an officer in the Army.[18]


88 posted on 11/19/2019 11:00:18 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: gandalftb

What did Vindman do that would elicit such an offer. Inquiring minds want to know.


89 posted on 11/19/2019 11:04:08 AM PST by kabar
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To: gandalftb

At his level of security wouldn’t he be required to report this to the State Dept, if so shouldn’t there be a record of it?

Or was it on HIllary’s server and accidentally deleted?


90 posted on 11/19/2019 11:07:19 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: kabar

It is highly unusual for foreign officers to make such an offer, knowing that Patriots would be highly offended.

The Ukrainians would not do so and risk the anger of a close diplomatic and foreign officer such as Vindmann.......

Unless they though he would at least listen and not take offense at the offer.

Much less make the offer a second time........

Much less make the offer a third time........


91 posted on 11/19/2019 11:09:48 AM PST by gandalftb
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To: Leaning Right

Or it could have been a joke? Or he made it up to burnish his reputation.


92 posted on 11/19/2019 11:10:22 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

The real LTC Vindman:

https://twitter.com/Jim_Hickman13/status/1190077856866549761


93 posted on 11/19/2019 11:16:39 AM PST by gandalftb
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To: vladimir998
“WHY would Ukraine offer an « AMERICAN « a post that important????”

My take on republicans asking that questions is to suggest that Ukrainians viewed Vinderman as a busybody.

94 posted on 11/19/2019 11:19:17 AM PST by EVO X
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To: gandalftb
"Why did the Ukrainians keep asking? Three times?"

We only have his word. so

1-vid lied about it being three times.
2- Vid is the one asking for the defense job
3-They were testing him.
4- vid is a ruski not a Ukie.

95 posted on 11/19/2019 11:21:05 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: gandalftb

How is this guy still on active duty in the US Army?

And how the h*ll is he still on the NSC?


96 posted on 11/19/2019 11:25:32 AM PST by CDB
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To: Sacajaweau
"Except I believe he is more Russian.....just born in Ukraine."

I also believe that.

97 posted on 11/19/2019 11:27:43 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: CDB

We’re much closer than anyone wants to a believe to a dictatorship of a Democratic Party Politburo backed up by the military command.


98 posted on 11/19/2019 11:29:28 AM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: dfwgator

DURING TESTIMONY VINDMAN SAID:

“Light wounds” and “Returned to Service that same day”!!!!

My nephew served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Marine SS. He suffered numerous combat injuries and has NO Purple Heart.

His comment upon hearing this:

“I came home in ONE piece. I spent years visiting friends in Walter Reed with life-altering injuries. They truly deserve the Purple Heart. Seeing a guy like Vindman receive a Purple Heart for an “injury” that he returned to duty from same day!? Some soldiers have NO honor.”


99 posted on 11/19/2019 11:46:24 AM PST by LeonardFMason (Lou Dobbs)
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To: LeonardFMason
DURING TESTIMONY VINDMAN SAID: “Light wounds” and “Returned to Service that same day”!!!! My nephew served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Marine SS. He suffered numerous combat injuries and has NO Purple Heart. His comment upon hearing this: “I came home in ONE piece. I spent years visiting friends in Walter Reed with life-altering injuries. They truly deserve the Purple Heart. Seeing a guy like Vindman receive a Purple Heart for an “injury” that he returned to duty from same day!? Some soldiers have NO honor.” _________________________________________________

Sounds a lot like John F. Kerry...

100 posted on 11/19/2019 11:59:04 AM PST by folkquest (Pax et Bonum!)
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