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Fort Worth shooting: Officers weren't asked to do welfare check. Here's how it changed things
CNN ^ | OCT 17 2019 | Nicole Chavez

Posted on 10/17/2019 6:14:48 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter

Authorities are looking into what former Fort Worth police officer Aaron Dean and his partner were told before arriving to Jefferson's home. "The information came from the neighbor to the call-takers and while it was relayed to the dispatch, it was determined to be an open structure call," Fort Worth interim Police Chief Ed Kraus told reporters on Tuesday. Experts say that classification escalated things beyond a welfare check, and meant the officers would respond differently. It could have been a burglary or other crime Many times a welfare check involves a medical emergency, an elderly person living alone or a relative who is difficult to get ahold of. For those calls, police officers usually knock on someone's door and wait for an answer. But the mindset of a police officer changes when they hear it's an "open structure" or "open door" call. Michael "Britt" London, president of the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said officers have a more cautious approach and run through multiple scenarios in their heads. They could be presented with a simple case of a door left unlocked, an abandoned home, or a burglary in progress. "You are at a higher sensitivity to what is going on with that house," London said. "You have to be ready for anything. You are taking more of your environment in consideration to be ready for a surprise if there's one." The first thing that comes to mind is often a burglary -- that's why officers search for signs of forced entry like a broken window or a damaged door. Body camera footage from that night shows Dean, 34, peering through two open doors and walking around the perimeter of the house. He then pointed his weapon at a window and yelled "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!"

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"""Body camera footage from that night shows Dean, 34, peering through two open doors and walking around the perimeter of the house. He then pointed his weapon at a window and yelled "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" seconds before he opened fire, striking Jefferson.""" ----

The bad dudes who specialize in home burglaries can be expected to use the words, "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" when they encounter someone in the house they are burglarizing.

1 posted on 10/17/2019 6:14:48 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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Sorry, but I do not think that anything coming out of CNN is trustworthy. Not only due to politics, but due to the fact that they just do not know how to gather facts and relay them without distortion.

Hopefully, we can get some real journalists (if there are any left) to give us some information on this subject.


2 posted on 10/17/2019 6:17:16 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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I am glad they cleared that up. So, if the officers are sent on an open-structure call, it is OK to kill a person in their own home. I get it now.


3 posted on 10/17/2019 6:17:52 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (With every passing day, I am a little bit gladder that Romney lost in 2012.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

This is not a news story.

This is propaganda from Jeff Zucker’s propaganda channel.


4 posted on 10/17/2019 6:18:54 AM PDT by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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To: Da Coyote
Sorry, but I do not think that anything coming out of CNN is trustworthy.

Yep, once they lie to you, everything after that can't be believed
5 posted on 10/17/2019 6:19:01 AM PDT by Karma_Sherab
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Sorry ... still no excuse for this. To borrow a phrase from the past ... the officer acted stupidly.


6 posted on 10/17/2019 6:19:31 AM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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Oh, wait. So if it’s a burglary call, cops can be forgiven for shooting through a window at an unidentifiable target. That’s nice to know.


7 posted on 10/17/2019 6:19:36 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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One big problem....He never identified himself as a police officer!

The entire situation could have been avoided had he done that. No brainer, bad shoot PERIOD!


8 posted on 10/17/2019 6:19:37 AM PDT by traderrob6
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Your kidding right?

You are sitting in your home, you live in a bad neighborhood, you grab your gun, and head to the window, someone you don’t know or see screams at you from outside your home to put your hands up and you are just going to comply?

Take your victim blaming over to DU.


9 posted on 10/17/2019 6:20:43 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Change the narrative to get the cop off, can’t have one of the important people going to jail now, can we?


10 posted on 10/17/2019 6:21:20 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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You don’t sneak up to someone’s house and shoot them dead if they are protecting their home from people sneaking around their home.

The better approach would be to pull your car in front, turn on your lights and call the residence to see if they are all right. At least that way the homeowner can clearly identify the police car and determine there is no threat. If it’s a bad guy then you make sure to watch the perimeter and put your donut down and be prepared to pursue a fleeing person, people don’t generally flee for no good reason. It doesn’t mean shoot the fleeing person, you apprehend that person.


11 posted on 10/17/2019 6:21:26 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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On one of the Joe Kenda programs, the police yelled “police” in every room they entered. Did this police officer even yell it once?


12 posted on 10/17/2019 6:22:15 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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I called the police for an open door burglary. Pulled up to my mom’s house at 10am and the door was wide open. She was in the hospital. The dispatcher told me don’t go inside just wait for them to get there. When they approached the house they had their hands on their weapons, not drawn. They knocked on the doorjamb and said....anybody in there?
I’m pretty sure that’s how it should be done.


13 posted on 10/17/2019 6:23:33 AM PDT by sheana
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"yelled "Put your hands up! Show me your hands!" seconds before he opened fire, striking Jefferson."

It looked to me like he shot before the words were completely out of his mouth. Certainly there was not "seconds" between the shout and the shoots

14 posted on 10/17/2019 6:25:24 AM PDT by circlecity
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They knocked on the doorjamb and said....anybody in there?

I'll bet they said Police Officers, is anyone in there. Police identify themselves so people generally won't aim guns a them.

15 posted on 10/17/2019 6:25:59 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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LISTEN: Audio of Atatiana Jefferson’s Neighbor’s Phone Call to Police Released
16 posted on 10/17/2019 6:26:42 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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Interesting post there. Now let’s say the cops were pretty sure that a burglar was in the house. Then they would have their guns drawn, and all exits would be covered.

But just showing up and shooting an unknown person through a window, that would still be a criminal act. I am amazed that some folks (not you, sheana) are defending that.


17 posted on 10/17/2019 6:30:44 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: 1Old Pro

I’m sure they did but I was at the end of the driveway watching and don’t remember that.


18 posted on 10/17/2019 6:34:32 AM PDT by sheana
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and all exits would be covered.

I doubt that as there was only 2 of them.


19 posted on 10/17/2019 6:35:38 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Karma_Sherab

Sorry, but I do not think that anything coming out of CNN is trustworthy.

Yep, once they lie to you, everything after that can’t be believed

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Many long decades ago my father once told me not to lie. He explained that if in my whole life I tell the truth and then just one time tell someone a lie that from that moment on I will be known to him as a liar. Lying is not worth whatever you think you are hiding.


20 posted on 10/17/2019 6:36:54 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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