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Hey, NATO, Let’s Move Those 50 US Thermonuclear Weapons Out of Turkey
Defense One ^ | 10/14/2019 | BY JOE CIRINCIONE

Posted on 10/14/2019 4:11:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

As far as I ever knew our military does not ever acknowledge where our nuclear arsenal is stored or staged. Any media outlet that puts this sort of article in print is not our friend.


21 posted on 10/14/2019 5:41:53 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Robert DeLong

How do we know he hasn’t already? The last thing you want to do with nukes is announce where they are and when they will be moved.


22 posted on 10/14/2019 5:45:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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To: SkyDancer

A B61 is not big at all, maybe 1000 lbs.
What they have is a permissive action link. There is a somewhat complicated procedure to unlock the weapon. It must be followed exactly. Any attempt to override it renders the weapon useless. Details are very classified.
The Soviet Golf class sub that sank off of Hawaii may have been due to an attempt at a rogue launch. Their version of a PAL took out the sub. Brute force? Risk a thermonuclear war by rogue personnel or lose a sub. It’s logical. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis could have been worse if Castro and Guevara carried out their plan to arm and launch the missiles - a plan that made Khrushchev crap his pants.


23 posted on 10/14/2019 5:47:34 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: SeekAndFind

The devices in Turkey have been there since 1961 in various amounts, sizes, and types. And what’s there now is sensitive and is not common knowledge. Just that they are there.

It actually is hard to detonate a nuclear package. But it takes a series of actions to do it and must be done in a particular order. HE is the popular product to do it by creating pressure on the unit in a particular way to move neutrons. This is what takes it to critical mass. Critical mass is defined as the amount of material at which a neutron produced by a fission process will, on average, create another fission event. There is plenty there to do it.

When they dropped the two in Japan they weren’t even sure they would detonate. But the ones in Turkey were stored for both deterrence and use. And have been in that aea for that since the early sixties.

rwood


24 posted on 10/14/2019 5:49:07 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71

where will Iran test? Do they have enough desert?


25 posted on 10/14/2019 5:49:53 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Use Comey's Report, Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: SeekAndFind
Does seem to be a DNC Talking Point.
26 posted on 10/14/2019 5:52:38 PM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Fred Hayek

Okay - thanks for that. I’ve heard some needed those triggers but I guess that was old style stuff.


27 posted on 10/14/2019 5:54:03 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump should have already removed the nukes. I agree with Trump that we should not be bogged down in the mideast forever but a thoughtful plan should have preceded the exit. After all ... there was no real hurry on any of this seeing how Trump waited 3 years to start the exit.


28 posted on 10/14/2019 6:20:39 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

Isaiah 17: God will destroy Damascus and make it forever uninhabitable.


29 posted on 10/14/2019 6:24:53 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, pull them out of Turkey and base them in France.


30 posted on 10/14/2019 6:55:34 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Fred Hayek

Then there were the nuclear weapons that were not documented by aerial photography, which remained unknown for several months after the blockade.


31 posted on 10/14/2019 7:03:51 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: SeekAndFind

Let Turkey have the nukes...after they have been detonated.


32 posted on 10/14/2019 7:17:01 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Easy to think of a cost-saving way to “move” these “supposed” devices....Dial’em down and move them to some place in Saudi... There’s a bomb assembly & disposal facility name Mecca that would be perfect...


33 posted on 10/14/2019 8:04:23 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: AndyJackson
Tell me, deepsters, what would victory look like here?

Yeah that too.

Nobody has been able to articulate what *any victory, anywhere* would look like.. for years now.

34 posted on 10/14/2019 8:37:01 PM PDT by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: glorgau
...Yeah, pull them out of Turkey and base them in France...

I think Israel would be a better choice.

Might actually stabilize the ME.

35 posted on 10/14/2019 8:45:42 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SeekAndFind

Why did you show the date of publication to be 10/14/2019?

This opinion article is from May 2017 and was written by an anti-American leftist.


36 posted on 10/14/2019 8:59:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: morphing libertarian

Testing is not the problem. The devices we hold over there in coordination with them are already tested and ready to go. The following list are the known ballistic missiles Iran has in possession at different times as of seven years ago:

Ashoura, Dezful, Emad, Fajr-3, Fateh-110, Fateh-313, Ghadr-110, Hwasong-10, Hwasong-12, Khorramshahr, Persian Gulf, Qiam 1, Safir, Sejjil Shaha, Shahab-1, Shahab-2,Shahab-3, Shahab-5, and Shahab-6, Tondar-69, Zelzal-1, Zelzal-2, and Zelzal-3.

They also have underground missile bases and are directly trading with Russia through North Korea and with Pakistan for the technology. And like most of the middle east, they are getting their chem and bio from Germany, China, France, and us.

Many years now they have been building up independently. They re no threat to our mainland, but are to the locals to include Israel who is our only real ally in the middle east we can half way trust.

But answering your question directly, the Plateau of Iran, lying within the center of the country and extending eastward into central Asia, contains two salt deserts which comprise 25 percent of Iran’s land area. They can run non-payload tests there with the missiles they are getting from different sources and load when they need to if they can get at them. We supervise them.

rwood


37 posted on 10/14/2019 9:18:57 PM PDT by Redwood71
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To: SeekAndFind

I would like to think these nukes have long ago been moved and it is just smoke & mirrors that they are still there. But, sadly, I see Drudge and MSN suggesting they are now hostage.


38 posted on 10/14/2019 9:28:40 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: SkyDancer

“Even if you believe the United States should keep tactical nuclear weapons in Europe, is Turkey a safe place to do so?”

I suspect they are no longer in Turkey. If they are it is an error. Even if Turkey does not know the codes and triggers for the weapons a nation with sophisticated engineers, which Turkey does have, could make them operational. They would need to confiscate them from our forces. If such were to be attempted, a rather large bang would happen. We would deliver the large bang. I hope those weapons are no longer in Turkey. They are really not needed. Only a couple of our boomer submarines can annihilate all nations of threat. We have many boomer subs.

Our defense is composed of the triad of Missile, Aircraft, and subs for retaliatory nuclear strike. The logic is any of the triad can take the enemy out and even after a first strike against us can not take it all out. Those subs lurk in the deep of the arctic and Pacific and Atlantic to unleash nuclear hell if needed. They are the ultimate weapon of retaliatory destruction.

Each boomer has the capability of 192 MIRVed warheads dependent on treaty rules with the Soviets. Just one boomer can reduce any nation to a non functional nation in ruins. As mentioned we have many boomers. Each of those warheads are about 250 kilotons. Nagasaki was only 20 kilotons.

In the past we had weapons of many megatons. These are now archaic now. A properly dispersed array of smaller weapons will inflict far more damage than one big bomb. It is a function of distance from the bomb and the area of targets. If one looks at the area of a circle it expands greatly by radius, thus a few bombs of lesser yield are much better than one big bomb.


39 posted on 10/14/2019 10:44:30 PM PDT by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: higgmeister
As far as I ever knew our military does not ever acknowledge where our nuclear arsenal is stored or staged.

Anybody, with or without the actual knowledge of nukes and their whereabouts, must state when asked, "I can neither confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons at this location/base."

40 posted on 10/15/2019 12:53:19 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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