Posted on 10/14/2019 3:22:41 AM PDT by Helicondelta
does it provide support for Assad?
Hopefully just enough to keep Assad viable in the fight. Would be nice to see a lot of attrition on both sides.
You saw Vlad said nice things about Trump the other day re: US/Russia relationship not improving not being Trump’s fault, rather being due to internal US politics.
Would it surprise you if there is a back channel arrangement on the outcome of this fight? Would not surprise me one bit.
Good it’s not our fight and another Perfect Trump strategy!
Assad will, like the U.S., prove to be an ally of convenience to the Kurds, lasting only as long as it is convenient to Assad. Assad and Erdogan will come to an agreement, and once that is sealed the Kurds in Syria will be back under the oppressive thumb of Assad, just as they (12 million) are under the thumb of Erdogan in Turkey. The Kurds will again find they have no real friends in the world. Who will be any winner among the Kurds? The most radical elements among the Kurds will be the winners, as Kurds will quit listening to their moderate politicians.
We already have *many* videos of Kurdish YPG taking out Turkish Leopard 2A4/2A5s out with Russian missiles. Might as well complete the set.
The best one so far is the one where girls/young women take out the Turkish Leopard 2A4 with a Russian Konkurs heavy ATGM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YafzmkvVRiI
The Syrians have gotten modern tanks - and more importantly modern training - from the Russians of late. Watch some of the SAA urban warfare videos that have come out in the last couple of years. Doesn’t hurt that a lot of their dumber troops got killed in the opening years of the Syrian Civil War, either.
Russia will support Syria against invasion.
I’m sure we told the kurds we were leaving. They should have gone back to their autonomous province in N Iraq. They have been trying a land grab in Syria and Turkey for years. It didn’t work out. Now they are sitting ducks for two countries that hate their guts.
“Exactly. Let Assad and Erdogan fight it off. I don’t see any upside in getting in the middle of this.”
I could not agree more.
+1
I don’t care for Syrians or Turks. I hope they devastate each other.
Power corrupts. Absolute power is kind of neat.
We're out, everyone else is in. All we had to do was hose off a little quicksand.Iran's President Hassan Rouhani, Russia's Vladimir Putin and Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan meet in Sochi, Russia November 22, 2017. (photo credit: SPUTNIK/MIKHAIL METZEL/KREMLIN VIA REUTERS)The Three Amigos
NO! WAIT! It’s America’s sacred duty to step between all warring parties and mixing in, so that they both start shooting at Americans instead of each other./s
The Panzers are interesting to me.
I see a lot of people saying “Russia is going to fight Turkey”, but so far, I see no evidence of that. Turkey’s Air Defense system is antique by our standards, but those old missiles can still take out Russian fighter/bombers and helicopters. And most of those systems will remain on Turkish soil. Russia is not going to send combat aircraft into an active air defense system, let alone one defended by F16’s. If Russia goes all in, I suspect the first sign will be missile attacks on Turkish SAMs. This risks a wider war and NATO entanglement. If they are not willing to fully commit, they could use missiles and drones to attack Turkish forces inside Syria, as well as provide ISR in near real time to Syrian/Kurd forces.
Pretty much ANY direct involvement by Russia pushes Turkey back to NATO, and that is a long term geopolitical loss for Putin. With that in mind, it seems likely that Russia will stay out of this mess, providing only weapons and ISR.
Shh. That ruins the narrative of 80 percent here.
But you’re right, a lot of European treaties were pretty worthless.
Answer: Russian absolutely, positively, backs Syria. They will do so with combined arms and special forces and advisors. They want a warm water port in the Med, and they want influence in the Middle East. Bank it.
Assad is paying dearly for this “rule”. He rules sht. He is just a puppet figure with Iran using his people and his land to get it bombed by Israel. Iranians are there to tell him what to do and Russians are there to tell him what not to do, putting a veto on it. Syria and Assad are a joke # fake news # fake nation # fake leader
Russia only backs Russia. Good grief, you people are Putin’s dupes.
So long Assad helps Rusky propaganda in Russia and elsewhere amongst his fans, Russia is happy.
This war, like Chechnya war number 2 is solely for ideological purposes. Same with Maoist Kurds who only loved the war insomuch it promoted their ideology
Could have been worse. Could have been lynched by a howling mob like his Libyan counterpart or forced into obscure and ignonominous exile in some Russian dacha. Besides, unlike the western powers, Russia doesn’t give a shit how a country is run internally as long as it serves their interests. America does at least have to pay lip service to trying to make its allies and client states observe basic minimum standards of human rights wheras Russia couldn’t care if its ally ruled his own people like a depraved, perverted and rapacious medieval warlord.
“Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved.”
Interestingly damning comment about the “innocent” Kurds.
Trump knows.
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