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Trump did not betray the Kurds
Caroline Glick ^ | October 11, 2019 | Caroline Glick

Posted on 10/12/2019 8:31:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Robert DeLong
Caroline is such a voice of reason when all is said and done.

If you define “reason” as the US attacking Iran, which has been her recommendation every time I’ve heard her talk for years.

I’m also not sure about some of her reasoning in this piece.

In other words, the claim that the US has major influence in Syria is wrong. It does not have such influence and is unwilling to pay the price of developing such influence.

We’ve had enough influence to keep Turkey from attacking the Kurds for 5 years. Seems material to me.

Aside from ISIS’s direct victims, the major casualty of Obama’s deliberately feckless anti-ISIS campaign was the US alliance with Turkey.

She then goes on at length about how Turkey really isn’t an ally and says there’s a compelling case that the Kurds are a better partner.

She’s all over the place.

She doesn’t think we need to defend the Kurds, she doesn’t trust Turkey or Syria or Iran, and she has no prescription on how to deal with the situation beyond a full scale invasion by the US (and attacking Iran).

The hard truth is that the fifty US soldiers along the Syrian-Turkish border were a fake trip wire. Neither Trump nor the US military had any intention of sacrificing US forces to either block a Turkish invasion of Syria or foment deeper US involvement in the event of a Turkish invasion.

That’s just wrong on its face. The trip wire has worked for years and there’s no way Turkey would openly attack positions where Americans soldiers could be killed.

Apparently in the course of his phone call with Trump on Sunday, Erdogan called Trump’s bluff. Trump’s announcement following the call made clear that the US would not sacrifice its soldiers to stop Erdogan’s planned invasion of the border zone.

BS. Glick would have you believe that Erdogan told the President of the US that we had to move our troops or his forces would kill them, and POTUS caved.

I don’t think that’s Trump’s style - at least I hope not.

If the Pentagon can be brought on board, Trump’s threats can easily be used as a means to formally diminish the long hollow US alliance with Turkey.

That’s rich. It’s up to the Pentagon now but before everything was Obama’s fault?

Where was the Pentagon then?

Here it is critical to note that Trump did not remove US forces from Syria. They are still deployed along the border crossing between Jordan, Iraq and Syria to block Iran from moving forces and materiel to Syria and Lebanon.

This is the part that directly contradicts Trump’s rationale for pulling back, which was that we’re getting out.

If we’re not bringing our guys home but just leaving this part of Syria so Turkey can invade then we absolutely are stabbing the Kurds in the back.

It is to beat down threats to US and world security as they emerge and then let others – Turks, Kurds, Europeans, Russians, UN peacekeepers – maintain the new, safer status quo.

And we’ve done the diplomatic work to make sure that happens?

The best move Trump can make now in light of the fake narrative of his treachery towards the Kurds is to finally retaliate against Iran.

Surprise, surprise.

But what is clear enough is that Trump avoided war with Turkey this week.

Nonsense on stilts.

21 posted on 10/13/2019 5:44:34 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
here is what is most likely going on in the region:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sA33xhfxYY
Start at around 22:00 go to the end.
What you will find is the narrator shows what Trump has been up to in the Mideast with the Turks.
Evidently, the Kurds,remember that are a huge and diverse group and it’s not out of the realm that some of them would sell out to the deep state and that appears to be what happened.
So it seems the Kurds have been protecting some deep state players as the narrator refers to them which are really cabal players loyal first to 41 then to Hillary and now to possible Jeb and Hillary. It’s not clear but always playing for the illuminati.Anyway they were being protected by the Kurds.It’s feasible since they,Dark CIA, have unlimited money and probably bought the communist part of the kurds, PKG, I think it is, and have been protecting them for some time.
Trump found out and worked a deal with Turkey to take them out. When they are gone Trump will arrange a huge peace deal with many. Possibly, Syria,Russia,Turkey, who knows.But, it will be big and will savage the deep state that is now taking hits all over from Afghanistan to the Ukraine soon Romania and elsewhere.Soon, they will have no place to hide.Though not mentioned a lot of these deep state players have to be the company/cia rouge players,the ones who deal drugs, create isis,other terror outfits, create the arab spring—designed to take out 7 countries is five years, and literally bring chaos to the world for profit.Trump has been going after them since he got in office.
So, this is what is going on with the Kurds. He is not letting them down, they let him down!!He is forced to fight back and he is.Never,never second guess DJT.
22 posted on 10/13/2019 5:48:13 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Maga: USA supports Trump. Home of the Free because of the brave.)
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To: palmer
It seemed odd as I read that article that the author switched from arguing against war with Turkey to arguing for war with Iran.

I think you’ll find that going to war with Iran is Ms. Glick’s solution to a lot of the world’s problems.

23 posted on 10/13/2019 6:12:04 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: rodguy911
...they were being protected by the Kurds.It’s feasible since they,Dark CIA, have unlimited money and probably bought the communist part of the kurds, PKG, I think it is, and have been protecting them for some time.

If my organization had unlimited funds I’d be pretty pissed off if they made me hide out in Northern Syria.

Something tells me the Deep State likes a few more creature comforts.

24 posted on 10/13/2019 6:17:15 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: MrEdd

Too true - except for the fact that I’ve been watching the trends for some years, I’d be shocked at how many on FR let reality-starved emotions control them.


25 posted on 10/13/2019 7:10:46 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There is a giant fly in the ointment Caroline Glick spreads out.

Her hard links between the YPG and Iran are a fiction of hers, as is her fiction that the YPG and Assad are allies.

Iran has no real trust for any Kurds, as it has its own suppressed Kurdish minority to contend with.

If the YPG and Assad were even on “friendly” terms, Assad would not have suppressed them forever, in the past, until his country was destabilized by a fight that Erdogan was supporting, against Assad.

It is clear that the Pentagon is the organization that sits opposed to major changes in U.S. long term strategic policy. Not surprised there, it has always been the most resistant to change. It prefers the knowns and hates having to figure out how to go with a paradigm change.


26 posted on 10/13/2019 7:21:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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As ISIS forces gathered in Iraq and Syria, Obama shrugged them off as a “jayvee squad.” When the jayvees in ISIS took over a third of Iraqi and Syrian territory, Obama did nothing. As Lee Smith recalled in January in the New York Post, Obama only decided to do something about ISIS in late 2014 after the group beheaded a number of American journalists and posted their decapitations on social media.
The Partisan Media Shills, without fail, carry Zero's water. Why were fighting ISIS in the first place? Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.

27 posted on 10/13/2019 2:16:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We owe the Kurds nothing. We couldn’t possibly have betrayed them.


28 posted on 10/13/2019 2:17:35 PM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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To: Farcesensitive; Cronos; GOPsterinMA

If that’s accurate, the Kurds sound like treacherous douchebags.


29 posted on 10/13/2019 7:29:04 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Impy

Maybe. But sure as sh*t, they’d watch Buck Rogers.


30 posted on 10/14/2019 3:00:24 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

That’s why they made a deal with Assad...right?


31 posted on 10/14/2019 1:22:16 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Kurds hve fought with us against the Islamofascists, and they have been protecting Christians, Yazidis, and other victims of the jihadis.

Erdogan is an Islamofascist aligned with Russia and Iran. He is an enemy of the US and the Wet, despite Turkey’s membership in NATO.

I’m not sure Erdogan will let us just stand aside. I think he wants a fight with the US, which will draw Russia and Iran into the fight to support him, and then he intends to invoke Article 5 and try to get NATO to fight us. The Islamists WANT a world war to hasten the arrival of the Twelfth Imam.


32 posted on 10/15/2019 9:59:49 AM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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The Kurds would disagree, but then they're not our problem

33 posted on 10/21/2019 7:02:33 AM PDT by SJackson (blow in a dogÂ’s face, he gets mad at you, car ride; he sticks his head out the window)
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