Posted on 10/10/2019 2:04:53 AM PDT by robowombat
Let them “THIN” the herd over there!~!~
What they going to do declare war?
Just amazing how fundamentally incompetent the narcissistic clowns running Congress are. Go ahead bellow and whine pass some meaningless resolutions. In the end it all meaningless bluster from Congress again.
Yep. Perhaps some will think about this because on the face of it, it makes no sense, the Deep State wants them to stay. $8 Trillion or about 1/3 of our national debt. So many kids dead or wishing they were. So much suffering for our wounded warriors and their loved ones.
Meanwhile, electricity is off near San Francisco and south along the coast and thru the mountains. I’m thinking shell game. Their eyes and ire are on the withdrawal. Would be a good time to MAGA. :)
No doubt...
But the odd thing is that Turkey immediately went in as if they were prepared and ready to go...As if there was a plan on both sides...
But had Trump increased troop numbers to protect the Kurds, we'd be hearing the attacks from the same people who are crying now...Trump just removed himself from a no win situation...
What is the vital US Security interest involved in the US giving the Kurd’s a US backed military shield to hide behind while they continue their separatists attacks on the internationally recognized Governments of Iran, Iraq and Turkey?
So were just suppose to endlessly continue the “Emperor of Earth” polices of the last 4 US Presidents? We suppose to write a blank check payable in US blood and treasure to every oppressed group everywhere?
Frankly I prefer Trump’s return to the pre Bush family traditional US policy. Bush the 1st made a massive mistake ending our “Over the Horizon” posture in the ME. By failing to decisively win Desert Storm in 1991 Bush locked us in a full body hug with the Middle East tar-baby ever since.
It is time the USA start figuring out how to pry ourselves off that mess. Like the Border Crisis Congress’s complete lack of any responsible action over Obama/Clinton/Biden/McCain’s misguided adventure in Syria required the President to take action.
Now that we are a energy exporter, for the 1st time since the 1960s, our national security interest in protecting the flow of oil out of the ME is greatly reduced. It is time we start re-thinking all our national polices. However, Congress has shown they will not act unless forced to it by the Executive.
We are working with very partial information on which to base a decision
President Trump has as much information as anyone and, by his own admission, they have been working on this for 3 years.
It seems this dispute is about what to do with captured jihadi who are from Europe and other foreign countries, all of whom are terrorists and most of them are war criminals.
Under Obama, the scam was to classify the bulk of them as refugees and have America classify them as asylum seekers and resettle them to the United States
These are the hardest of the hardcore Jihadi and there are at least 10,000 and perhaps as many as 60,000 ( including families) being held prisoner.
Consider our experience with the small fraction of that number of terrorists we have held in Gitmo at extreme expense and with massive opposition from Democrats trying to get them released and Gitmo closed down.
Virtually every Jihadi we have released from Gitmo has went back to terrorism and many went to Syria and ISIS. Those still in Gitmo are so hard core Jihadi and terrorist not even Obama dared release them
These people do not reform and look at the horrific crimes against humanity they committed in Syria and Iraq
These are the same people who tried to send these captured Jihadi to US as refugees are now trying to force Trump to fight in Syria and send these prisoners to Gitmo ( or, more appropriate, send them here as welfare dependent refugees if they can scam us )
I want to support the Kurds and I suspect Trump does too.
Sometimes solving a festering problem that has developed into status quo requires destroying the status quo, which President Trump has obviously accomplished . Unfortunately, this is not a pleasant or happy thing to do
Now that Trump has destroyed the status quo and opened up a hornets nest full of very angry hornets, it will be interesting to see how he shapes the resolution to this complex and seemingly insoluble problem
I’m trusting the President on this one at least for now
BTW, it was news to me there were up to 60,000 or even 10,000 captured ISIS Jihadi in Syria. Heck, we have been told the media that there were never more than about 30,000 ISIS Jihadi in total and now we are suddenly informed that we are having to deal with 10-60000 SURVIVOR Jihadi when most fought to the death and many escaped back to their home countries
These numbers of Jihadi do not add up anything near what we have been told except to prove we have been lied to on a massive scale about what has been going on in the region and with ISIS in general.
The number of Kurd casualties really drives this home - 10000 KIA and 30000 wounded is huge and the Kurds were not the major combatants in the conflict
The ISIS problem in the region was and still is much larger than we have been led ( and actively misled) to believe bothbduring the conflict and now that it’s seemingly over,
President Trump may just be in the reprices of exposing that fact and showing us the true magnitude of a conflict that has killed somewhere in the region of one million people
Let’s give him Trump benefit of the doubt because the current revelations, when put in context, are stunning and paint a much different and more serious picture than the one we have been shown and led to believe so far
A lot of war mongers in our legislative halls. The eternal deadly conflicts between centuries old enemies will always exist. And there are plenty to choose from. The question is does it merit a U.S. response and involvement and the deaths of US troops? Hint: There has to be a resolution in sight besides “But people are dying!”.
“the fact that it is on the eve of impeachment”
You seem to be worried about impeachment, I think the President has just pulled off another major distraction from impeachment. We will see how it shakes out next week.
You are correct about Turkey’s rationale. And, it may be true. But, I don’t know and I don’t think you know about what Turkey is actually doing. President Trump has not exonerated Turkey and you shouldn’t either. If Trump has communicated a deal to Ergodan that he can go after the terrorists among the Kurds, as long as he leaves our allies among the Kurds alone (assuming there’s a difference), Trump is (again) being brilliant. I have been very impressed with Trump (and Pompeo).
Not a good move to defend George W. Bush by saying it was Tony Blair’s fault. This defense effectively admits that Bush, the President of the United States, was a dimwit. And, that Bush should have known it was stupid to Americanize Afghanistan.
Maybe while they are at it we can bomb China for its treatment of their muzzies as well.
“no one can seriously dispute that the process was appallingly mishandled by this administration.”
I am a staunch Trump supporter, but what he did — and how he did it — was inexplicable. I have no problem with pulling out our troops; but it should have been tactically orchestrated with the Kurds, so as to give them the chance to set up their own strategy and implement it.
What Trump did was “cut-and-run” in the most basic sense. As I said, inexplicable.
I concur with most of what you posted.
I continue to believe that the final outcome will be a new nation of Kurds and Suni moslems to the north and east of the river. It will not include the agressive Turkish Kurds. It will include territory that was once IraQ and Syria
We need to stay in control of conditions. If we don’t, Russia and Iran will. It is the nature of Trump to be in control. There must be something else going on with Trump that is hidden.
For fun a couple years ago I watched all the YT vids on combat in Afghanistan, most of which were by the BBC. I remember distinctly them mentioning how Blair convinced Bush to go for nation building as if it were a good thing, at the time.
I think this is misguided viewpoint. Not saying Erdogan is an angel, but in regard to the Kurds, I think we should grant he has a legitimate reason to defend his country. The Kurds organized their Kurdistan Workers Party under a Maoist leader in the 70’s and 80’s. Their stated goal has not only been the creation of a Kurdish state, but also the establishment of a MAOIST COMMUNIST state in part of Turkey. Up until the Iraq war with Saddam, they were not generally viewed by the US government as a positive group. The CIA was reportedly involved in the capture of the Kurdish leader who was hiding out in Kenya. Since his imprisonment, he has supposedly “softened” his political opinions; however, who can tell if this is not a strategy to hold continued US support? To add to the mix, there is not just one unified Kurdish party either, but a mixture of all sorts of groups of various political ideologies. I think to get tangled in this morass would be extremely detrimental for the USA.
“Nonsense! The president ran on getting the US the hell out of asinine foreign wars.”
I am unaware that those handful of troops were in any independent combat role whatsoever. They were, if anything, acting in an advisory role. Fine. But their withdrawal (with which I agree) should have been handled a hell of a lot better than what it was. As I said in a previous post, the manner in which Trump handled this is inexplicable.
Well done!!!
“We should have taken in white Rhodesians.”
No kidding.
Erdogan is a tyrant but my suspicion is that the only people in Turkey who would benefit from fair and free elections and democracy in general are the Muslim fundamentalists. Whenever given the chance, that is who Muslim voters choose (Egypt being the prime example). So yeah he stinks but we should tread carefully in pushing for alternatives.
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