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Prediction: the coming collapse of China’s Ponzi scheme economy
SCMP (Hong Kong) ^ | 27 Aug, 2017 | Jake Van Der Kamp

Posted on 09/08/2019 10:16:18 PM PDT by BeauBo

So much production in industries like steel is based on demand for more production, but should that demand falter, the whole system could come crashing down...

Consider crude steel production, a test-tube example of how command economies get it wrong. In the mainland this stood in June (2017) at an all time monthly record of 73 million tonnes, five times the total production in all of Europe.

Why is so much steel needed? ...to build more steel mills ...to build more shipyards, ...so that more ships can be built to carry more iron ore, ...to build more shipyards...

What we have here, in short, is a giant Ponzi scheme. In a Ponzi scheme you pay out the winnings of the first entrants with what others later pay into it. As long as it keeps growing everything is fine. When it stops growing it collapses...

Command systems may be good at deciding where to direct economic effort in wartime but they are hopeless in peacetime at deciding when to stop... what you get is economic cancer, uncontrollable growth.

You don’t see it right away. Any Ponzi scheme looks just fine as long as more people can be found to put their money in. But the end is inevitable and the longer it is delayed the more resounding the collapse.

It has so long been delayed in the mainland that, when the end finally comes, I believe more than half of the loans and advances of the financial system will prove irrecoverable...

When will it happen?

I cannot tell you. No one has ever conducted so big a Ponzi scheme from so high a level of authority before.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2017; chat; china; oldnews; tariff; trade
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Note that this article is two years old - but it looks like the theory is about to be tested.

At some point, the fraudulent house of cards that is the communist Chinese economy, is going to collapse.

The President is doing the Lord's work, by getting Americans to line up substitute suppliers before a collapse over there catches us flat-footed.

1 posted on 09/08/2019 10:16:18 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

IDK dude, China has a lot of cards it can play.
Mostly, though, they’re causghi in paying for past ecpectations.


2 posted on 09/08/2019 10:23:39 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: BeauBo

When these ‘ghost’ cities began to appear in China a decade ago....I figured that the tail-end of this boom-economy was on the horizon. At some point, a collapse will occur.


3 posted on 09/08/2019 10:23:59 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: BeauBo

If the Chinese economy goes into the toilet, I wonder if they will start a war?


4 posted on 09/08/2019 10:26:07 PM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: Mark17

“If the Chinese economy goes into the toilet, I wonder if they will start a war?”

The historically Chinese thing, would be a civil war.


5 posted on 09/08/2019 10:29:09 PM PDT by BeauBo
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If the Chinese economy goes into the toilet, I wonder if they will start a war?

And you would be correct in wondering that! Why did Japan attack us and begin WWII in the USA? Economics - we were crippling their sources of materials to build their war engine and empire, mainly the oil they required but also other materials that we blocked them from obtaining.

China could very well consider war in order to salvage the building of their nation (and they are rapidly building their war engine as well as trying to build an empire).

6 posted on 09/08/2019 10:38:08 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: pepsionice; All
Yup. Thousands of empty cities in China.

https://youtu.be/TiTDU8MZRYw

7 posted on 09/08/2019 11:02:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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I don’t think I like those commie a$$ hats 🎩 in China much. 👎
8 posted on 09/08/2019 11:08:58 PM PDT by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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China could very well consider war in order to salvage the building of their nation

to what end?

conquer the USA, its most lucrative trading pardner?   ridiculous.     claim south korea?   don't make me laugh.


9 posted on 09/08/2019 11:13:24 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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to what end? conquer the USA, its most lucrative trading pardner? ridiculous. claim south korea? don't make me laugh.

Siberia would make the most sense.

10 posted on 09/08/2019 11:18:58 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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I don’t think I like those commie a$$ hats 🎩 in China much.

The situation for China now is very different than for Japan prior to WWII. Japan was a unified strong country. China has never been a unified country, and until the communists came along, China was simply a name for the land and not for a country. China, the land, was made up of many different nations and peoples controlled by many different groups (and colonists). The communists are trying to unify an empire that never existed, and is doing so by force. They (the communists) aim to control all of Asia and the Pacific region through force.

President Trump and the USA stands in their way. This friction could lead to an attack by China. Sooner would be better than later, for us, as we could easily defeat the Chinese communists. China knows it's best for them to wait until later when they have a stronger military and resources, but a collapse of their economy could provoke them into causing a war. (A war we would win.)

11 posted on 09/08/2019 11:22:55 PM PDT by roadcat
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IDK dude, China has a lot of cards it can play.
Mostly, though, they’re causghi in paying for past ecpectations.


It’s okay. English is tough to master.


12 posted on 09/08/2019 11:22:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: BeauBo

Jake Van Der Kamp was an excellent columnist for decades at the South China Morning Post.


13 posted on 09/08/2019 11:24:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: BeauBo

There’s no good exit strategy for a Ponzi scheme.


14 posted on 09/08/2019 11:25:42 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Communication is an art form susceptible to sudden technical failure)
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To: 867V309
conquer the USA, its most lucrative trading pardner? ridiculous.

Not so ridiculous. The USA was a very lucrative trading partner for Japan prior to WWII. Until the USA blockaded trading with Japan. Japan attacked even though much of their cash resources were held in the USA. History shows that desperation can cause wars.

15 posted on 09/08/2019 11:26:27 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Vince Ferrer


Siberia would make the most sense.

right.

the chicoms are going to take on the russians.

I can't wait to see that.


16 posted on 09/08/2019 11:26:40 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: roadcat


Not so ridiculous. The USA was a very lucrative trading partner for Japan prior to WWII.

so, how did that work out for the japs?


17 posted on 09/08/2019 11:28:41 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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You can see it now. The border between China and Siberia used to have all of the people on the China side, and open land and resources on the Siberia side. Now the Chinese are on both sides, quietly building settlements and farms.


18 posted on 09/08/2019 11:30:09 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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[If the Chinese economy goes into the toilet, I wonder if they will start a war?]


Hollywood writes a lot of entertaining but stupid scripts. People don’t start wars as a distraction. They’re too costly and uncertain for that. Life is not a movie. Hitler did not start a war to distract the German people from anything. He really wanted to conquer the world, for the same reason that Alexander did - so he’d be remembered thousands of years later.


19 posted on 09/08/2019 11:30:25 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Yardstick

LOL!
It’s late here in the EDT Zone.


20 posted on 09/08/2019 11:35:36 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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