[Ikeon]

"he intiated the confrontation?" Im lost on your reasoning. He was yelling at someone sitting in a car. telling him to shut up or get away from my girlfriend/wife/ child is all that was needed. shoving him to the ground and going in for a swift kick was what got the guy shot.

Bith were agrressors. Ill stand by my statement its a win/win, A loose cannon with a gun and a bully are both off the streets.

it bothers me more the store owner knew thus guy was not fit to carry and the police did nothing about it until he shot someone.. snafu. our hanfs are tied, we can't do anything until he does something.

[Mathews]

I didn’t see any sort of movement or intention to deliver a “swift kick.”

[The Pack Knight]

I didn’t say the guy who was shot acted appropriately, but it is clear that the shooter provoked the altercation by yelling at a woman and her children. The law is pretty clear that, while verbal provocation does not justify the use of force, you cannot claim self defense when using force to defend yourself from an attack you verbally provoked, either. As you suggested, both men committed crimes here.

More to the point, I’ve watched that video several times, and there is no evidence in that video that the shooter was facing any threat that justified the use of deadly force. Unless the victim said something that constituted a deadly threat (and it doesn’t sound like there was any evidence that he did), the shooter was plainly guilty of some level of criminal homicide.

I think it requires a rather twisted moral compass to view this as a “win/win.” Shoving someone who is yelling at your kids and their mother may be wrong, but hardly warrants death.