Of course foreign forces are at work in Hong Kong; The US Congress Funds One of them

South China Morning Post ^ | 08/05/2019 | Alex Lo

[KC_Lion]

Ping for your interest.

[Zhang Fei]

I would hope we are, just the Soviet Union funded the Chinese Communist Party. I can’t speak to the future, but as of today, the Hong Kong protestors, unlike the Party, have not been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese.

[robowombat]

Why? It would be wonderful if the US government minded its own business. The southern border is being bum rushed by tens of thousands of invaders. The US government is interested in meddling in a China/Hong Kong internal issue. Just as with the intramural battling in Syria and the interminable inter-group fighting in Afghanistan it is not our business.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: I would hope we are, just the Soviet Union funded the Chinese Communist Party.

The Chinese would consider this interference in their internal affairs.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I hope we are funding as well. It is a fundamental obligation

[ifinnegan]

Wow.

Party has really taken over what’s being published. They’re very scared.

Btw, “disqualified localist legislator Leung Chung-hang”.

Disqualified simply because the Chinese communists deemed him disqualified.

Hong Kong is making it clear they do not want to be under Chinese Communist suzerainty.

[highpockets]

Of course the CCP is bribing u s government elected and non elected employees. Why else would they assist in sending industries and jobs to China.

[103198]

See Kyle Bass interview on CNBC from this afternoon at https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/kyle-bass-chinas-currency-would-drop-30percent-to-40percent-without-support.html.

[Zhang Fei]

[The Chinese would consider this interference in their internal affairs.]

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The Chinese have been interfering in the internal of other countries for 4000+ years. They, of all people, should understand how this works. And they’re not special in this regard. Every country on earth has probably attempted to elevate friendly foreigners to high office.

[mrsmith]

Silly of them to complain of “foreign interference” considering their actions in so many countries- including the US.

Anyway, whatever the facts, they’d really scream if Soros treated them like he does every other country...

Seriously, HK shows all the characteristics of an honest event.
VERY impressed by the civil servants joining.

[Zhang Fei]

[Why? It would be wonderful if the US government minded its own business. ]

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Because their business is our business. Countries are not autarkies. You can’t hunker down in your bunker and pretend that the world is one of unicorns and rainbows. You think Switzerland would have remained independent if either the Nazis or the Soviets had conquered the rest of the continent? WWII was obviously an extreme case, but merely funding China’s internal opponents is a fine way of keeping an adversary tied up in knots. The Chinese certainly have no problems getting into our business.

[MichaelCorleone]

“I can’t speak to the future, but as of today, the Hong Kong protestors, unlike the Party, have not been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese.”

You certainly have a point; Mao was no choir boy.

Still, his homicidal record is rapidly being dwarfed by the 60+ million children murdered by their own mothers in the womb since 1973. Over 60 million innocent human beings.

Those are statistics that Pol Pot, Mao, and Mussolini could only dream of.

Glass houses and all that...

[mindburglar]

The Chinese are the biggest meddlers. They are paying the triads to beat protestors. Much of the violence are false flags by pro Peking thugs. The PLA is amassed on the border.

Who stands to benefit indeed.

[NorseViking]

“” “” WWII was obviously an extreme case, but merely funding China’s internal opponents is a fine way of keeping an adversary tied up in knots. “” “”

Yep, it is perfectly normal but $100k in Russian Facebook ads and 13 internet trolls are bloody murder.
That’s the ticket and some are surprised why nobody abroad takes US serious anymore.

[Zhang Fei]

[Yep, it is perfectly normal but $100k in Russian Facebook ads and 13 internet trolls are bloody murder.
That’s the ticket and some are surprised why nobody abroad takes US serious anymore.]

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Everyone knows the Democrats are full of crap. Even Putin knows the Democrats love Russia, and the Russia thing is merely a talking point. If they really hated Russia, they’d have pushed missile defense and not criticized Trump for exiting the INF treaty. There is quite literally minority Democratic support for increasing defense spending. Not exactly a surprise, though, given that they blamed the GOP for JFK’s death, even though Lee Harvey Oswald was an actual communist who defected to the Soviet Union before deciding he was better off stateside.

[NorseViking]

Hillary’s comments and policies are contradicting your statement. So were her husband’s and Obama policies.
Everybody talk about Uranium One here but it is a rather minor in a great scheme of things.
Both missile defence and INF exit are basically the same thing in terms of fallout. Both undermine existing security system which worked for relative peace for decades but we are yet to figure out is it good or bad in a long run.
As for Oswald he was a lazy stupid nut case who wanted to be important. It has nothing to do with political conviction. In fact he has extensive medical records in USSR and was institutionalized into a psychiatric facility at one point.

[Zhang Fei]

[Hillary’s comments and policies are contradicting your statement. So were her husband’s and Obama policies.]

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Hillary’s comments are hawkish, but her policies were dovish. A hawk doesn’t just say uncomplimentary things. Trump is a hawk. He whispers sweet nothings while whaling away at America’s adversaries. Putin is a great guy. Then he kills hundreds of Russian mercs. I love Putin. Then he exits the INF treaty that Russia has been ignoring for many years. That’s his style - it’s not about personalities, but Russia’s persistently hostile actions. Same deal with China.

[NorseViking]

Let’s say earlier US withdrawal from missile defence ban made INF treaty absolete.
Also Russians claim to have intelligence that US were planning to use ABM infrastructure as cover for INF.
Considering the technology involved it is at least very likely but it is not really the case.
The single actual reason for INF withdrawal is the fact that China is not a participant. It makes no sense for other players to limit themselves with China unrestrained.

[NorseViking]

And by the way you are selling Clintons short as dovish. Although not in a class of Hitler they left quite a scar across multiple nations. Russia included.