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Of course foreign forces are at work in Hong Kong; The US Congress Funds One of them
South China Morning Post ^ | 08/05/2019 | Alex Lo

Posted on 08/05/2019 6:31:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Are there foreign forces interfering in Hong Kong affairs and fomenting unrest? Of course, there are. Just because local opposition figures laugh it off and ridicule such claims doesn’t make them untrue. And I am not even talking about long-ago, on-record funding of local anti-China groups by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which is financed by the United States Congress.

Just consider two incidents from last month, a lively period of anti-government protests.

Riding on her high horse, but acting in the most irresponsible way possible, the British Labour Party’s shadow Asia minister, Helen Goodman, released the names of the most senior expatriate officers responsible for conducting anti-riot operations last month. The officers and their families have been subjected to vitriolic cyber attacks and physical threats.

How did Goodman identify the expat officer responsible for authorising the use of tear gas? Hong Kong police carefully guarded such operational details from the public, but it would not be difficult for British government agents, including those working at the consulate in Admiralty, to obtain them. After all, the local force was called, not long ago, the Royal Hong Kong Police. The British government just handed over, without a fight, the information to a member of the opposition on request. What did they think Goodman would do with it?

Another serious incident is a leaked Skype conversation between Chinese fugitive billionaire Guo Wengui, now in the US, and disqualified localist legislator Leung Chung-hang during a protest last month. Neither man has issued a denial.

During the 15-plus minute conversation, Guo offered Leung “complete financial support” and that he had established full protection for him with the US government, including the Congress, State Department and the American consulate in Hong Kong.

Guo may be exaggerating his influence with the United States government, but we shouldn’t underestimate it either. According to The New York Times, he has formed a US$100 million fund – called the Rule of Law Fund – with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, with the express goal of undermining the Chinese Communist Party.

Both men are friends of Kyle Bass, the hedge fund manager who has been short-selling the yuan and presumably the Hong Kong dollar and its denominated assets as well; he claimed in April that “Hong Kong currently sits atop one of the largest financial time bombs in history”.

I ask: who benefits from Hong Kong’s unrest and instabilities?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; hongkong; ned; protests
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1 posted on 08/05/2019 6:31:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Army Air Corps; Zhang Fei; CondoleezzaProtege

Ping for your interest.


2 posted on 08/05/2019 6:34:47 PM PDT by KC_Lion
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To: SeekAndFind

I would hope we are, just the Soviet Union funded the Chinese Communist Party. I can’t speak to the future, but as of today, the Hong Kong protestors, unlike the Party, have not been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese.


3 posted on 08/05/2019 6:36:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei; All
Why? It would be wonderful if the US government minded its own business. The southern border is being bum rushed by tens of thousands of invaders. The US government is interested in meddling in a China/Hong Kong internal issue. Just as with the intramural battling in Syria and the interminable inter-group fighting in Afghanistan it is not our business.
4 posted on 08/05/2019 6:50:15 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Zhang Fei

RE: I would hope we are, just the Soviet Union funded the Chinese Communist Party.

The Chinese would consider this interference in their internal affairs.


5 posted on 08/05/2019 6:50:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: Zhang Fei

I hope we are funding as well. It is a fundamental obligation


6 posted on 08/05/2019 6:51:14 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Human brains, connected to fingers, protected to triggers the problem. Not guns)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow.

Party has really taken over what’s being published. They’re very scared.

Btw, “disqualified localist legislator Leung Chung-hang”.

Disqualified simply because the Chinese communists deemed him disqualified.

Hong Kong is making it clear they do not want to be under Chinese Communist suzerainty.


7 posted on 08/05/2019 6:51:34 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course the CCP is bribing u s government elected and non elected employees. Why else would they assist in sending industries and jobs to China.


8 posted on 08/05/2019 6:52:03 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: SeekAndFind
See Kyle Bass interview on CNBC from this afternoon at https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/kyle-bass-chinas-currency-would-drop-30percent-to-40percent-without-support.html.
9 posted on 08/05/2019 7:02:17 PM PDT by 103198 (It's the metadata stupid...)
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To: SeekAndFind

[The Chinese would consider this interference in their internal affairs.]


The Chinese have been interfering in the internal of other countries for 4000+ years. They, of all people, should understand how this works. And they’re not special in this regard. Every country on earth has probably attempted to elevate friendly foreigners to high office.


10 posted on 08/05/2019 7:04:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Silly of them to complain of “foreign interference” considering their actions in so many countries- including the US.

Anyway, whatever the facts, they’d really scream if Soros treated them like he does every other country...

Seriously, HK shows all the characteristics of an honest event.
VERY impressed by the civil servants joining.


11 posted on 08/05/2019 7:11:53 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: robowombat

[Why? It would be wonderful if the US government minded its own business. ]


Because their business is our business. Countries are not autarkies. You can’t hunker down in your bunker and pretend that the world is one of unicorns and rainbows. You think Switzerland would have remained independent if either the Nazis or the Soviets had conquered the rest of the continent? WWII was obviously an extreme case, but merely funding China’s internal opponents is a fine way of keeping an adversary tied up in knots. The Chinese certainly have no problems getting into our business.


12 posted on 08/05/2019 7:13:39 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“I can’t speak to the future, but as of today, the Hong Kong protestors, unlike the Party, have not been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of Chinese.”

You certainly have a point; Mao was no choir boy.

Still, his homicidal record is rapidly being dwarfed by the 60+ million children murdered by their own mothers in the womb since 1973. Over 60 million innocent human beings.

Those are statistics that Pol Pot, Mao, and Mussolini could only dream of.

Glass houses and all that...


13 posted on 08/05/2019 7:30:52 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Chinese are the biggest meddlers. They are paying the triads to beat protestors. Much of the violence are false flags by pro Peking thugs. The PLA is amassed on the border.

Who stands to benefit indeed.


14 posted on 08/05/2019 7:46:30 PM PDT by mindburglar (Stupid is supposed to hurt. - Lurkers Granddad.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“” “” WWII was obviously an extreme case, but merely funding China’s internal opponents is a fine way of keeping an adversary tied up in knots. “” “”

Yep, it is perfectly normal but $100k in Russian Facebook ads and 13 internet trolls are bloody murder.
That’s the ticket and some are surprised why nobody abroad takes US serious anymore.


15 posted on 08/05/2019 10:30:21 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

[Yep, it is perfectly normal but $100k in Russian Facebook ads and 13 internet trolls are bloody murder.
That’s the ticket and some are surprised why nobody abroad takes US serious anymore.]


Everyone knows the Democrats are full of crap. Even Putin knows the Democrats love Russia, and the Russia thing is merely a talking point. If they really hated Russia, they’d have pushed missile defense and not criticized Trump for exiting the INF treaty. There is quite literally minority Democratic support for increasing defense spending. Not exactly a surprise, though, given that they blamed the GOP for JFK’s death, even though Lee Harvey Oswald was an actual communist who defected to the Soviet Union before deciding he was better off stateside.


16 posted on 08/05/2019 10:38:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Hillary’s comments and policies are contradicting your statement. So were her husband’s and Obama policies.
Everybody talk about Uranium One here but it is a rather minor in a great scheme of things.
Both missile defence and INF exit are basically the same thing in terms of fallout. Both undermine existing security system which worked for relative peace for decades but we are yet to figure out is it good or bad in a long run.
As for Oswald he was a lazy stupid nut case who wanted to be important. It has nothing to do with political conviction. In fact he has extensive medical records in USSR and was institutionalized into a psychiatric facility at one point.


17 posted on 08/05/2019 10:56:42 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

[Hillary’s comments and policies are contradicting your statement. So were her husband’s and Obama policies.]


Hillary’s comments are hawkish, but her policies were dovish. A hawk doesn’t just say uncomplimentary things. Trump is a hawk. He whispers sweet nothings while whaling away at America’s adversaries. Putin is a great guy. Then he kills hundreds of Russian mercs. I love Putin. Then he exits the INF treaty that Russia has been ignoring for many years. That’s his style - it’s not about personalities, but Russia’s persistently hostile actions. Same deal with China.


18 posted on 08/05/2019 11:01:57 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Let’s say earlier US withdrawal from missile defence ban made INF treaty absolete.
Also Russians claim to have intelligence that US were planning to use ABM infrastructure as cover for INF.
Considering the technology involved it is at least very likely but it is not really the case.
The single actual reason for INF withdrawal is the fact that China is not a participant. It makes no sense for other players to limit themselves with China unrestrained.


19 posted on 08/05/2019 11:19:11 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Zhang Fei

And by the way you are selling Clintons short as dovish. Although not in a class of Hitler they left quite a scar across multiple nations. Russia included.


20 posted on 08/05/2019 11:22:03 PM PDT by NorseViking
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