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The Jeffrey Epstein case is why people believe in Pizzagate
The Week ^ | July 8th, 2019 | Matthew Walter

Posted on 07/09/2019 3:47:59 PM PDT by Eurotwit

The arrest of the apparent billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein at a New Jersey airport on Saturday on federal charges for crimes he was accused of during the Bush administration should not be surprising to anyone who has followed the news carefully. He may have escaped in 2008 with a ludicrous one-year stint in a county jail that he was allowed to leave six days a week, but his name has never quite been out of the headlines. Between 2008 and 2015 Epstein reportedly settled more than a dozen lawsuits from Jane Does alleging sexual assault; the youngest of his alleged victims was 14 years old.

The only question is why did it take this long? Why was the ludicrous deal that gave Epstein and his fellow conspirators immunity in exchange for a slap-on-the-wrist jail sentence ever allowed to go through in the first place?

The most obvious answer is, of course, that Epstein knows people. Lots of people. A list of his reported friends, business associates, and legal counselors reads like a #MeToo and Manhattan sleazebag All-Star team, with a few stringers pulled in from the media and both political parties: Woody Allen, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Mort Zuckerman, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, Ken Starr, Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, the current president of the United States. The obscene deal that kept Epstein out of what could easily have been a life sentence in prison was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, the current Secretary of Labor, who was then a federal prosecutor in Florida. In 2002, Graydon Carter, the longtime editor of Vanity Fair, removed references to Epstein's sexual activity from a profile, including testimony from alleged victims, according to the article's author. "He's sensitive about the young women," Carter is said to have explained. Won't somebody please not think of the children?

It will be at least another week before 2,000 or so pages of documents related to Epstein's exploits will be released following the order of an appeals court last week. When we finally see them we will likely be able to answer questions about the identities of the "numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well‐known Prime Minister, and other world leaders" who have also been accused of sexual abuse by Epstein's alleged victims. Is one of them a Razorbacks football fan? Who was the "famous prime minister"? Was Trump speaking from personal experience when he said in 2002 that Epstein "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side"?

We should keep all of this in mind the next time we feel inclined to sneer at so-called "low-information voters," especially the kookier sort. You know the people I mean. Wackos. Gun nuts. 8channers. Conspiracy theorists in Middle America who watch InfoWars (one of the few journalistic outlets to discuss the issue of pedophilia regularly) and post about QAnon and "spirit cooking" and the lizard people. The news that a globalized cabal of billionaires and politicians and journalists and Hollywood bigwigs might be flying around the world raping teenaged girls will not surprise them in the least because it is what they have long suspected. For the rest of us it is like finding out that the Jersey Devil is real or turning on cable news and finding Anderson Cooper and his panel engaged in a matter-of-fact discussion of Elvis’s residence among the Zixls on the 19th moon of Dazotera.

Among other things, the Epstein case forces us to ask ourselves some uncomfortable questions about the real meaning of "fake" news. There is, or should be, more to being informed than fact-checking formalism. If you have spent the last few years earnestly consuming mainstream left-of-center media in this country you will be under the impression that the United States has fallen under the control of a spray-tanned Mussolini clone who is never more than five minutes away from making birth control illegal. If you watch Fox News and read conservative publications, you no doubt bemoan the fact that Ronald Reagan's heir is being hamstrung by a bunch of avocado toast-eating feminist witches. Meanwhile, Alex Jones's audience will tell you that America, like the rest of the world, is ruled by a depraved internationalist elite whose ultimate allegiance is not to countries or political parties or ideologies but to one another. These people believe in nothing. They will safeguard their wealth and privilege at any cost. They will never break rank. And they will commit unspeakable crimes with impunity, while anyone who dares to speculate openly is sued or hounded out of public life as a kook.

Which of these worldviews is closest to the truth?


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clintonepstein; creepyartcollection; cultureofcorruption; democratscandals; grooming; jepstein; jepsteincase; metoo; pizza; pizzagate; podesta; sexualizingchildren; smokinggun; trump
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To: SkyPilot
Thank you SkyPilot, Pizzagate is real, I spent time down in rabbit holes, in mud for days reading, copying the horrid accounts of things...

Epstein, Clintons, Bushes, Obamas and others are totally and 100% involved in this child trafficking crap, course Uncle ‘hands all over’ Joe Biden won't tell you about the bracelets he had made for him and Bam Bam Boy...

It's sick, and Hillary Clinton is so mired into it, it turns your stomach...

Don't ever think it isn't real: IT IS!!!!!!!

41 posted on 07/09/2019 4:47:42 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ( "The Force Awakens!!!"... "Let The Force be with YOU!!!"... Making America Great Again)
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To: Taffini

Same question.


42 posted on 07/09/2019 4:49:57 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Eurotwit
"We should keep all of this in mind the next time we feel inclined to sneer at so-called "low-information voters," especially the kookier sort. You know the people I mean. Wackos. Gun nuts. 8channers. Conspiracy theorists in Middle America who watch InfoWars (one of the few journalistic outlets to discuss the issue of pedophilia regularly) and post about QAnon and "spirit cooking" and the lizard people. "

I thought "low information voters" (Rush) meant folks who aren't paying attention and just accept whatever the media decides to tell them.

The people the author is talking about are at least paying attention, even if the information they're processing may not be true.

43 posted on 07/09/2019 4:53:38 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: rintintin

The question is why did Acosta go too easy on Epstein? Anthony Weiner got a longer sentence (21 months vs 13 months) for the less egregious crime of sending a picture to an underaged girl. And Epstein only had to spend 1 day a week in jail during his 13 months sentence. The case against him was allegedly much wider and involved a lot more than sex crimes but he pleaded it down to a virtual nothing. How? Why? Hell Manafort may die in prison for financial crimes against the state while this scumbag harmed dozens of girls and gets off nearly unscathed.

Acosta is finished. He’ll have to resign. There are those who are probably thinking Epstein’s arrest is part of Trump’s payback. Who knows they may be right. And his resignation plays well into Trump’s hand if they are.


44 posted on 07/09/2019 4:56:46 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Eurotwit
The Jeffrey Epstein case is why people believe in Pizzagate

You forgot about NXIVM Sex cult ran out of the highest social set in New York.

You also forgot about the Muslim rape gangs in England and the US. You also forgot about the rapes in Hollywood.

Americans have a *LOT* of reasons to believe "Pizzagate."

45 posted on 07/09/2019 4:56:52 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: humblegunner
The lack of dungeons underneath the place played a part in the disbelief.

Whatever brings you joy, though... knock yourself out.

There is a technique of fallacy argument in which you find some trivial detail that can be proven wrong, and then you declare all the rest of something wrong too, on the basis of the trivial detail. This is a technique the media love to use. They used it against Joe McCarthy when he couldn't name a precise number of Communists in the government.

McCarthy happened to be correct, even though he didn't have an exact number.

I've seen enough stuff about this Pizzagate business before they had a chance to scrub it to believe something very weird is going on in that place involving children.

I've seen videos that have since been scrubbed, such as a tranny Master of Ceremonies bragging at a party held in that establishment, that the owner prefers to have sex with little boys.

He says "Well, we all have our preferences, don't we!" as he laughed uproariously over what he just said.

And the "Art" shows they had in that place are just sick, and no rational person could claim that "art" represented anything other than the torture, rape and murder of children. It's so disgusting I won't even post links to it here, but people who have looked at this issue have seen it, and only some really sick individual would consider it "art."

46 posted on 07/09/2019 5:04:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: Eurotwit


...America, like the rest of the world, is ruled by a depraved internationalist elite whose ultimate allegiance is not to countries or political parties or ideologies but to one another.

over the past few decades I've not seen one speck of evidence to the contrary.


47 posted on 07/09/2019 5:06:46 PM PDT by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: tcrlaf
You can’t ask about the Standard Hotel anymore. Anyone who knew about it is dead... Tragically, of course...

Okay, I don't get this reference. What is the meaning of "Standard Hotel".

48 posted on 07/09/2019 5:07:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: Taffini

“what is the Standard Hotel story?

Google it...
Pretty sick, sordid affair. It’s what happens to those who have dirt on Democrats and liberal billionaires


49 posted on 07/09/2019 5:07:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....ew)
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To: Rennes Templar
Report: Acosta Said He Was Told Jeffrey Epstein 'Belonged to Intelligence' And 'To Leave It Alone'
50 posted on 07/09/2019 5:15:46 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: tcrlaf

Oh, yeah, like Google is a reputable source for unearthing Leftist malfeasance. Whatever is found will be patently fake.


51 posted on 07/09/2019 5:18:54 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Eurotwit

Believing is one thing, puting the case together to prove it in court is something else.


52 posted on 07/09/2019 5:27:09 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: humblegunner; coaster123
STFU, N00b.

Ha! Right to the impotent 'N00b' Ad hominem. Pitiful, HG.

53 posted on 07/09/2019 5:38:42 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the Left, The truth is Right Wing Extremism.)
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To: Eurotwit

This guy is overacting the part of “clever writer”, like Al Pacino playing a Cuban.


54 posted on 07/09/2019 5:43:30 PM PDT by dead (Our next president is going to be sooooo boring.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Argument from fallacy, also called the fallacy fallacy.


55 posted on 07/09/2019 5:49:23 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: humblegunner

“STFU, N00b.”

Well, well, well. Looks like somebody got to the bitter hero of rebuke. And once again what you write (the first part anyway) applies more aptly to yourself than your target.


56 posted on 07/09/2019 5:53:45 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I seem to remember the Clinton's and the mainstream media pretty much had discredited the stories that Clinton had a sexual relationship with an intern - UNTIL that semen soaked blue dress turned up! LOL

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57 posted on 07/09/2019 5:57:10 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: SkyPilot

What do these pictures depict and why share on a family board?


58 posted on 07/09/2019 5:58:23 PM PDT by SMGFan ("God love ya! What am I talking about")
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To: Eurotwit

I asked my younger non-woke son how Pizzagate was TOTALLY DEBUNKED, as the media says it had been - despite the really, really, weird code words used the E-Mails that Wikipedia released. I figured that Podesta or some other major player must have explained what they all meant and that it was something harmless, maybe a little fun about betting on horses or something.

NOPE! It was debunked because the owner of the pizza joint in DC said something like “There’s no child abuse going on here, none at all”. And that it, totally debunked...as far as the media was concerned and anyone bringing it up now is simply a conspiracy theorist.

That’s what we’re up against.


59 posted on 07/09/2019 6:12:27 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Eurotwit

“...while anyone who dares to speculate openly is sued or hounded out of public life as a kook.”

Actually, just the lucky ones. The others aren’t around long enough even for that.


60 posted on 07/09/2019 6:15:48 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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