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The census and slavery: Why we count people, not citizens
The Chicago Sun-Times ^ | July 2, 2019 | Derek Litvak

Posted on 07/02/2019 8:59:42 AM PDT by PBRCat

For most Americans, the census is something none of us really think about, for good reason.

It doesn’t come around but once every ten years, and then it’s gone again. Besides a few stories on the changing demographics of the country, and possible changes in the number of representatives any given state is allotted, the census is usually in the back of many people’s minds.

That, however, changed with the arrival of the Trump administration. Seemingly out of nowhere it was announced the 2020 Census would be modified in a simultaneously subtle and monumental fashion. Wilbur Ross, the Secretary of Commerce, announced in 2018 the next census would include a question asking for respondents’ citizenship status. Almost immediately the potential question was met with a bevy of criticism, support and lawsuits. Opinion

Those lawsuits culminated last week in the Supreme Court handing down a decision in the citizenship census case.

States with heavy immigrant populations, which also coincidentally happen to be strongholds for the Democratic Party, would likely lose seats in Congress, funding, and a host of other things as a result of their “official” population lowering.

The fear, by many immigrants, is certainly well founded, considering the president of the United States opened his campaign with violently racist remarks against immigrants, and his administration has made it a point to manufacture a humanitarian crisis on the southern border.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicago.suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; census; citizenship; electionfraud; fakenews; immigration; reapportionment; voterfraud
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This is an example of leftist rhetoric at its very worst. Not a word about the lax enforcement of immigration laws which incentivized border crossings by illegals nor any admission that Trump's predecessor Obama instituted most of the detention policies that leftist blame Trump for today. Trump did not manufacture a crisis on the border: he inherited it. Any the Democrats seem determined that the crisis continues and worsens. Ask Jeh Johnson.
1 posted on 07/02/2019 8:59:42 AM PDT by PBRCat
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To: PBRCat

The author is taking a strong “death to America” position.


2 posted on 07/02/2019 9:02:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: PBRCat

Do you feel the appropriate level of guilt yet white people?


3 posted on 07/02/2019 9:03:21 AM PDT by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: PBRCat

Unless I’m mistaken, at the writing of the Constitution the slaves that were counted may not have been citizens, but they were legal residents of the United States.


4 posted on 07/02/2019 9:03:30 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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From the revolution, to today. Democrats are always desperate to count/exploit their cheap human labor force to gain political power in the Congress.

Sick


5 posted on 07/02/2019 9:03:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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Liberals are really stupid and uneducated. The entire 3/5 of a person written into the constitution was a compromise which increased the representation from Demonrat (slave) states out of proportion compared to the number of actual citizens.

By counting illegals, the old Demonrats are up to the same nonsense, just using different terms. Counting illegals distorts the count and dilutes the representation and votes of true citizens.


6 posted on 07/02/2019 9:06:55 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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Illegals should only count 3/5ths. I heard of a compromise like that once.


7 posted on 07/02/2019 9:07:53 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: PBRCat

So much to debunk in this article, but I haven’t the time so I’ll go for low hanging fruit.

1. It became a “thing” not because of Trump, but because the left fought him on it.
2. The question was there for a long time. Trump just wanted to put it back. Duh.

Leftists never cease to amaze. Their chief weapons are:
Ad hominem attack
Deflection
Projection


8 posted on 07/02/2019 9:09:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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When our country started, there was no such thing as an illegal alien. People were landing every day. Some became citizens. Some did not. There were indeed open borders...until we wrote some immigration laws.....which I think began after the Civil War.


9 posted on 07/02/2019 9:10:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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This writeup is a mashup of lies.

The census has had a citizenship question for 220 years except for 2010 when Obama ordered Rahm Emanuel to take charge of the census and delete the citizenship question so that millions of illegals could be counted for apportionment of representatives to Congress.

The census was split in 1965 into a short form and a long from. The citizenship question stayed on the long form.

Leftist liars will say the citizenship question hasn’t appeared since 1960, that it was taken off in 1965. That’s because it was made part of the long form.


10 posted on 07/02/2019 9:10:45 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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Oh, bull crap. The census is used for determining many things that are funded by our tax dollars. If you have nothing in the game, why should you have any say in how that money is spent?


11 posted on 07/02/2019 9:10:53 AM PDT by econjack
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To: rigelkentaurus
"Liberals are really stupid and uneducated. The entire 3/5 of a person written into the constitution was a compromise which increased the representation from Demonrat (slave) states out of proportion compared to the number of actual citizens."

And back then the slaves couldn't vote. So that increased the representative power per 1,000 votes. Much like today where high immigration states have a higher representative power per 1,000 votes (assuming immigrants aren't allowed to vote in federal elections).

12 posted on 07/02/2019 9:11:33 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: cuban leaf
Their chief weapons are: Ad hominem attack Deflection Projection

And fanatical devotion to Karl Marx.

13 posted on 07/02/2019 9:11:38 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

BRING OUT THE SOFT CUSHIONS!


14 posted on 07/02/2019 9:13:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: DesertRhino

“Democrats are always desperate to count/exploit their cheap human labor force to gain political power in the Congress.”

I think that meme about cheap labor needs to be retired. There are only so many openings for grass cutters, etc. What the democrats are after is political power, only political power, and they want voters, not workers.


15 posted on 07/02/2019 9:13:59 AM PDT by odawg
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To: PBRCat

I give the left credit for never giving up,shaping and rolling their ideas like turds and calling them Bonbons to the mostly idiotic public.


16 posted on 07/02/2019 9:14:11 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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RE: Why we count people, not citizens

Why can’t we count BOTH to get an accurate picture of who are living here?


17 posted on 07/02/2019 9:15:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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So... foreign diplomats in the areas surrounding DC increase the representation of those areas? Foreign travelers to Disney World increase the representation for that part of Florida? If we recognized this invasion for what it is... we should increase the representation of areas that have been invaded?

This argument is nonsense. The census determines representation in the halls of government. No party should represent anyone but their own citizens.


18 posted on 07/02/2019 9:15:22 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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“””Seemingly out of nowhere it was announced the 2020 Census would be modified”””


Since 1800 there have been 21 census.

Does anyone know how many of those 21 census asked the residents in the USA about their citizenship?

It is my guess that most of the census did ask the question and it was only recently that the question was no longer asked.


19 posted on 07/02/2019 9:15:29 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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We still have SLAVERY??? WOW!


20 posted on 07/02/2019 9:16:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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