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Stonewall's 'Gift'
American Conservative ^ | 6/24/19 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 06/25/2019 9:50:30 AM PDT by madprof98

Sorry for another LGBT rights post today, but someone just sent this very important Washington Post essay to me, and hey, I’ve got to do my part for Pride Month.

Let’s back up a bit, all the way back to 2004 and thereabouts. Back then, people who couldn’t understand why people like me opposed same-sex marriage were in the habit of asking, “What does my gay neighbors’ marriage have to do with me?” People like me would patiently explain the legal consequences of gay marriage across any number of areas, and also explain the lines that would have to be crossed morally, philosophically, and culturally to normalize same-sex marriage.

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So here we are in 2019, five years after Obergefell. Gay marriage rights are secure in law and in popular culture. In the piece, gay rights activist and author Nathaniel Frank says that an effect of the movement has been to destroy taboos on sexual expression.

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Frank laments that the LGBT rights movement has not eliminated the nuclear family and marriage. He is glad that it has brought about Teen Vogue articles teaching teenage girls how to receive penises into their rectums. He glories in the fact that the movement is alienating an increasing number of people from their bodies, and leading them to mutilate their breasts and genitals with hormones and surgeries. And he concedes that people like me were right to say back in the day that gay marriage was going to de-nature marriage as a child-centered institution.

Frank makes clear what some of us have known for a long time: that for the last 25 years, LGBTs have been the Leninist vanguard of the Sexual Revolution.

(Excerpt) Read more at theamericanconservative.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gays; homosexualagenda; lgbt; pedophiles
An especially thoughtful analysis of why all this Pride nonsense ought to be taken very, very seriously.
1 posted on 06/25/2019 9:50:30 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

All of the sudden at the gym there are types walking around. Dressed like a man, body of a woman.

Huh?


2 posted on 06/25/2019 9:53:43 AM PDT by Uversabound (Might does not make right, but it does enforce the commonly recognized rights of each succeeding gen)
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To: madprof98

The place was crawling with underaged prostitutes.

Never, ever, allow someone pro homosexual to lift up Stonewall as some sort of liberation triumph. With every sentence and every phrase drag them back to the kids and make them defend prostitution of minors.

Because there never was a Stonewall with only adults.


3 posted on 06/25/2019 9:57:07 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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The Stonewall riot was cuz they’d been repressed and could not longer stand it right? It was Righteous Outrage?

No, and it wasn’t a bar, it was a Bottle Club, because NYC’s regulations on Bottle Clubs were waaaaay less strict than those for bars; no need for lots of running water, no need for many exits, etc.

Stonewall was MOBBED UP with the mafia and they had 2 sources of income; selling booze and blackmailing rich closeted customers who were causing problems for the management; repeatedly hitting on guys who weren’t interested, not paying, or not paying on time, fighting, etc.

So the mob would kill two birds with one stone, make money off of getting rid of a problem customer.

Someone didn’t just eye-roll and scoff at getting blackmailed THIS time, though, and threw a real tizzy —a violent one, which spread.

But the NYC media was on the take with the mob, too, they were mob friendly. So when they wrote up the account, the cops became the bad guys and all these mincing, lisping tizzy-throwers were transformed into dashing idealists.


4 posted on 06/25/2019 9:59:12 AM PDT by gaijin
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Matthew Sheppard before media:

Scumming meth dealer who told two other meth dealers that he’d given them AIDS. They envied Sheppard’s meth routes to Chicago, they no longer liked “their friend Matt”, and not thinking ahead much while high, killed him.

Matthew Sheppard after media:

Misunderstood, French-speaking sophisticate unfairly singled out by intolerant hicks, crucified like a tragic Saint on a barbed-wire fence (he was leaning against a post which formed part of such a fence).


5 posted on 06/25/2019 10:04:12 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: madprof98


I have one overwhelming sentiment:

I am sick of hearing about homosexuals all the fucking time.


6 posted on 06/25/2019 10:21:25 AM PDT by golux
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To: madprof98
Thanks for posting. Rod Dreher is an indispensable man. An acute observer and good communicator.

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7 posted on 06/25/2019 10:27:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (I knew somehing suspicious was going on.)
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To: gaijin

Yeah. He and Trayvon are kind of the salt-n-pepper set of Instant Deification.


8 posted on 06/25/2019 10:28:44 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady ( Political correctness forbids discussing any negative outcomes of Left-wing ideology. -PMcL)
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To: madprof98

Dang thought I was gonna lean something about this guy.

9 posted on 06/25/2019 10:32:29 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free)
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To: madprof98

I do greatly appreciate the few restaurants in our area flying their make-believe flag - they’ll never see any of my money.


10 posted on 06/25/2019 11:47:23 AM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: gaijin

The Stonewall riot was caused by 3 NYPD plainclothes cops chasing a robbery suspect into the place. The bad guy cried out, that “ the cops are chasing me because I’m gay” . True story, from a former NYPD Det who was at the scene, during 5 days of rioting. The bar was NOT targeted by the police. As a matter of fact the property itself was owned by the City of New York!! The truth is always confidently buried!


11 posted on 06/25/2019 12:07:46 PM PDT by MGunny
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To: madprof98
More from the article:

As I’ve said in this space many times, the gay marriage campaign succeeded so thoroughly and so rapidly in large part because it built on what heterosexuals had already come to believe was true about sex and marriage. Gay marriage was inevitable, because straights had already queered sex and marriage via the Sexual Revolution. Yet gay marriage was a Rubicon for our society because it took those radical shifts past the breaking point, and locked them in to law and culture. All that followed was predictable, and it was in fact predicted, not because anybody had a crystal ball, but because it made logical sense.

Once again, read this line from Nathaniel Frank:

Inherent in queer desire is the belief that sexual pleasure is a good in itself and [sex and marriage are] expressions of individual liberty and dignity.

Desire untethered from anything but individual will is a universal solvent of social bonds.

It has never been more important to affirm — and to affirm with our lives — the truth that the philosopher Sir Roger Scruton learned back in the 1980s, from a Polish Catholic woman:

And she brought home to me, then and subsequently, what is perhaps the most important truth conveyed by religion, and one that Monsignor Gilbey, incidentally, had built onto the foundations of his life — the truth that sex is either consecration or desecration, with no neutral territory between, and that nothing matters more than customs, ceremonies and rites with which we lift the body above its material need and reshape it as soul.

Contra the Stonewall dogma, sexual pleasure is not a good in itself; it is either consecration or desecration. This is the divine wisdom that is the real gift to humanity — a liberating gift that Stonewall (and other decisive battles of the Sexual Revolution) stole from us.

12 posted on 06/25/2019 12:37:38 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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sexual pleasure is not a good in itself


...said no guy, ever.


13 posted on 06/25/2019 12:43:18 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: madprof98

Excellent essay, because it goes beyond the surface arguments and gets into the marrow of the issue.


14 posted on 06/25/2019 1:11:18 PM PDT by fwdude
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I see: You, the self-appointed contrarian, presume to speak for every male Christian philosopher and theologian who has ever lived.


15 posted on 06/25/2019 4:08:23 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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The ones that weren’t Nancy boys, yes.


16 posted on 06/25/2019 4:15:48 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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"The ones that weren’t Nancy boys, yes."

What about husbands and fathers? Not everyone is a slave of his appetites.

17 posted on 06/26/2019 6:23:33 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (If you can't do something well, you won't do anything good.)
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To: CJ Wolf
Dang thought I was gonna lean something about this guy.

Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson, super devout Calvinist who believed his fate pre-written by God so waged war with no fear for himself. Proposed a "scorched earth" campaign to Jefferson Davis years before Sherman inflicted it on the South. Had he not succumbed from wounds incurred at the Battle of the Wilderness he would likely have led the Confederacy to win Gettysburg. Jackson's loss tilted the South to a mostly defensive footing until war's end.

18 posted on 06/26/2019 7:20:56 AM PDT by MikelTackNailer (NRT, NewRome Tacitus, just don't call me late to dinner.)
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succumbed from wounds incurred at the Battle of the Wilderness Chancellorsville
19 posted on 06/26/2019 7:25:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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And I suppose it wasn't the War of Northern Aggression? LOL. Near Chancellorsville coming back down the road only to be hit by his own troops in the dark ("friendly fire"). Good call, though.

But this thread is about the perverted, depraved and miserable booty bandits who follow a hell of their own making - one definition of Hell is purposely separating oneself from God. And Pride itself leads the Godless to damnation. Sermon done.

20 posted on 06/26/2019 11:40:51 AM PDT by MikelTackNailer (NRT, NewRome Tacitus, just don't call me late to dinner.)
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