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Sun sets on greatest alliance
The Pioneer ^ | Thursday, June 13, 2019 | Bhopinder Singh

Posted on 06/16/2019 6:55:12 PM PDT by Jyotishi

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To: Jyotishi

Blah Blah Blah. I’ve read this nonsense many times before.

Yes its true that in some ways the US did drive a hard bargain with the UK during the early part of WWII. It is also true that the US extended Britain a “loan” at a ridiculously low interest rate and allowed Britain to suspend repayments whenever it ran into difficulties (eg massive currency fluctuations, etc) which proved necessary a few times. The things bought with this “loan” were sold at cost - much of it was not actually weapons but instead economically useful things like tractors, etc.

After the war, Britain received more Marshal Plan aid than anybody else. There were again some very low interest “loans”...the kind you could never get from any commercial lender...and there were also large outright grants of cash. All in All, I’d say the UK was thrown a financial lifeline by America both during and after the war. Austerity in the 1950s would’ve been far worse without that lifeline.

As for Trump “interfering” in UK politics, I can cite just as many examples the other way. For example he whines that Trump criticized Khan and Corbin....yet somehow forgot that they had both repeatedly criticized Trump...in fact that they had done so first and that Trump simply hit back. Odd how he “forgot” to mention that little detail.


41 posted on 06/16/2019 8:48:19 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DesertRhino
To be fair:
42 posted on 06/16/2019 8:54:24 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Jyotishi

This reads like it was written by Obama using a pen name.


43 posted on 06/16/2019 8:54:28 PM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects; starve the bastards)
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To: Jyotishi

This is old news - the British Empire died a long time ago.

We still make a big deal about the history of England because it is our history. But all this pomp and circumstance over their monarchy is a joke.


44 posted on 06/16/2019 8:56:10 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: Jyotishi

What is going to happen to Brit NUKES...?


45 posted on 06/16/2019 8:59:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: DIRTYSECRET
Pat is somewhat (but not completely) correct.

World War 1 was unnecessary and it did bring down the British Empire. World War 2 was necessary but in many way it was World War 1...part deux

Buchanan is particularly correct about Czechoslovakian treatment of the Sudentenland Germans.

46 posted on 06/16/2019 9:01:40 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: FLT-bird
Strangely enough I agree with you - President Trump wasn't "interfering" any more than the non-American politicians are when they comment on American affairs

The difference is - as I keep pointing out - the USA is a hyperpower. The USA really matters to nearly every person on the planet, so of course they have an opinion on American matters and of course their opinions have little to no influence on the hyperpower. But American opinions on another country HAVE influence -- if the President tomorrow says "I don't like the UK" - just SAYS it, the GDP of the UK (or france or whoever) will drop.

I liken the USA's influence to the Roman Empire's influence over Antiochus - the ruler of Syria to Iran. When he wanted to invade another country, the Roman ambassador asked him to desist as Rome didn't want that. Antiochus said he'd think about it. The Roman ambassador drew a circle in chalk around Antiochus and told him to think about it in side the circle and come out with a decision. he capitulated

THAT is the USA - and I'm not trying to use hyperbole, the USA is economically, politically, diplomatically and culturally hyper-dominant (and i'm not even talking about militarily) - that isn't jingoism, it's fact.

47 posted on 06/16/2019 9:08:05 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: Jyotishi

England is waaaaaaaaaay over

All the good virile men were killed in WWII. SOCIALISTS took over

Now the left has imported enough Muslims that it’s just a matter of time

There’s a 1-3% chance the TOMMY ROBINSON types take it back

But at this point much blood will have to be shed.

Moose. Slimes. In this nation. Will get now where. We’re armed and are onto them


48 posted on 06/16/2019 9:39:35 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: cpdiii

Re: the economic might of Russia is minuscule

The GDP of Texas is actually higher than Russia!


49 posted on 06/16/2019 10:28:15 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

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Russia’s population is less than 15 million.


50 posted on 06/16/2019 10:30:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MarvinStinson

Re: UK Muslim takeover

In 2011, the population of the United Kingdom was 87% white European.

The next census will be in 2021.

I am confident that number is still over 80%.

Compare that to the USA which is just 60.7% non-Hispanic whites.

Our Census Bureau counts North African and Middle East immigrants as white, so the USA population of European whites is below 60%.


51 posted on 06/16/2019 10:54:12 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: editor-surveyor
Re: Russia’s population is less than 15 million.

Wiki says 147 million - including Crimea.

52 posted on 06/16/2019 10:58:02 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Steamburg

Obama can’t write.


53 posted on 06/16/2019 11:21:29 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi

The British SPIES that helped Hilliary run a COUP against Trump has really hurt our “Special Relationship”!


54 posted on 06/17/2019 2:22:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: o-n-money

Bindar Dundat!! LOL!!! GOOD ONE!


55 posted on 06/17/2019 2:22:51 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cronos

Hey now, the useless Duke and Duchess of Dimwit (Harry and MeAgain) have been given some make-work positions having to do with the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth is still useful to the royal family for shipping off their problem members.


56 posted on 06/17/2019 2:57:20 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Jyotishi

Singh, like a typical anti-Trumper, omits that it was Khan who initiated the disrespectful diatribe against our President.

President Trump has let it be clearly known that if someone in the public eye launches an unprovoked attack at him or any American, they’d better be ready to receive at least twofold in kind.

Khan, without provocation, attacks Donald Trump in the world press and Singh describes Trump’s response as bullying. We’ve seen this before numerous times.

Singh, a virtual nobody, gets undeserved attention simply for attacking Donald Trump in the press. That’s expected when a real leader takes the stage. It happened to Reagan, it is happening to Trump.

Singh gets his 15 seconds. Tomorrow he’s forgotten.


57 posted on 06/17/2019 4:13:56 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: MarvinStinson; zeestephen

Britain is one of the parts of the UK - the others being Northern Ireland, the channel islands and Gibraltar.

the UK has 5% Muslims - about 2.8 million

the USA has 1.1% Muslims - about 3.5 million


58 posted on 06/17/2019 4:19:34 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama hated Assad as he wasn't a Muslim but an Alawite)
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To: 867V309
"...his beard, big mike."

LOL

59 posted on 06/17/2019 4:46:25 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Islam---At war with Western Civilization for 1400 years.)
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To: Cronos

Allow me to present the view from the other side:

Foreigners CONSTANTLY comment on, try to interfere in and sometimes even openly say they should have a voice or vote in American internal politics.....even while simultaneously being extremely hyper defensive about Americans doing the same to them. Here are 3 examples just from the last couple months:

- the beta Cuck prime minister of Canada made public comments about how he was going to bitch to the US Vice President whom he was set to meet with shortly, about some of the recent anti abortion laws adopted by a few Southern states. Firstly, those are state laws and the federal government has nothing to do with it so even IF he were inclined to agree, wtf is a representative of the federal government supposed to do about it? Secondly and more importantly who the Eff told you it was any of your effing business Trudeau? You’re not an American. It does not concern you.

- the prime Minister of New Zealand gave an interview to a British journalist based in the US and aired on CNN wherein she went on and on about how she just doesn’t understand why the US does not adopt the same gun laws she just pushed through in New Zealand taking away citizens’ rights because of the actions of a couple of lunatics there. Then of course she spewed some lies about how this would increase public safety - lies that have been debunked many times by various studies - much to the approval of that British journalist. This came very very shortly after the Kiwis publicly pitched a fit about some comments by gun rights advocates in the US saying they hoped the New Zealand government would not restrict the gun rights of New Zealanders in the wake of the mass shooting there. So.....it’s terrible when Americans do it but it’s just fine and dandy when they do it far more flagrantly to us a month or so later.

- the Chancellor of Germany just gave a graduation commencement address at an Ivy League school wherein she bitched about US foreign policy, said the direction of American foreign and domestic policy was all wrong and “dangerous” and drew not so veiled comparisons to Europe in the 1930s......even while still freeloading on America to provide their national defense and openly breaking their word to spend a paltry 2% of gdp on national defense.....even while they have almost completed a second massive pipeline to make themselves yet more dependent on and to shovel yet more cash at the very country they claim they need us to defend them against.....even while systematically coming along and seeking to undermine US foreign policy and hopefully make a few euros profit by dealing with Saddam, Iran, Cuba and every other vile dictator on the planet.

JUST IMAGINE Trump going to Germany and giving a speech saying their chancellor was stupid and backwards, German policy both foreign and domestic was wrong about everything - and moreover comparing it to the dark days of the 1930s. Can you even imagine the hysterical screaming of politicians and the media in Germany? Yet it’s perfectly fine to treat us this way and we’re supposed to just take it with no complaints.

This type of thing happens all the time. If you ever wonder why many Americans sometimes hostile toward several of our so-called “allies”, this gives you a good idea as to why. You will NEVER hear any of this in the media over there and most of the US media won’t say anything about it but believe me, many Americans very much DO notice things like this.


60 posted on 06/17/2019 6:07:30 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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