Posted on 06/04/2019 12:45:11 PM PDT by NohSpinZone
No duty to protect you as an individual. . .meaning the police can’t be sued if you are a victim of a crime. They do have a responsibility to collectively protect society.
So, being a coward and not acting to protect, he can be prosecuted and sent away.
Maybe. . .but Post 101.
Interesting comment: of course you and others are facing computer screens and very few have faced fire. I have, over an extended period of time.
Anyone who wears a uniform and carries a weapon is expected to take on an armed adversary for the protection of others. This clown didn’t - and it’s disgraceful.
Those kids depended on him and he was only one in the area that could have made a difference, saved some lives.
He didn’t. He just stood outside a heard the killer firing. You don’t really have sympathy for him, do you?
The coward Scot Peterson had the duty and the means to at least distract the killer and he chose to stay where he was and let the killer keep going. A stench in the nostrils of any real man (or woman).
And before you think of the “you will never know how you will react” stuff, I have faced fire, many times. 17 months in combat and I was severely wounded saving another wounded Marine. Been shot at plenty of times since then too.
There’s no way any man who is a man to just hang back when children are being murdered. He deserves all the punishment he can get.
Anyone who wears a uniform and carries a weapon is expected to take on an armed adversary for the protection of others. This clown didn’t - and it’s disgraceful.
Those kids depended on him and he was only one in the area that could have made a difference, saved some lives.
He didn’t. He just stood outside a heard the killer firing. You don’t really have sympathy for him, do you?
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Two school employees did enter the building like heroes. Cruz killed both of them.
No police officers immediately entered the building. Coral Springs officers did enter the building, but in groups and five minutes after the last shot was fired.
Cruz only killed people in the hallways or people he could see from the hallways. He did not enter any of the classrooms because his goal was to set up a sniper position on the third floor. When he got to the third floor and was unable to break the hurricane windows he dropped his weapon, 180 rounds of ammunition, and left the building.
There was a campus monitor who saw Cruz with his rifle enter the campus and the building. If he had called a Code Red everybody on campus would have locked themselves in rooms with the doors shut. Cruz would have gone straight to the third floor without shooting anybody.
Rather than enter the building, the SRO’s best option would have been to call a Code Red. But he was notified too late to save the victims below the third floor.
Likewise, the school employee who entered the building and was killed could have called a Code Red and saved the people on the third floor.
So no, this isn’t about having sympathy for the SRO. It’s about getting more information than the corrupt media will tell us. The SRO did fail, but so did many others, especially the campus monitor who failed to call a Code Red after being the first to see Cruz with a rifle.
However, the SRO is being used as an easy scapegoat because so many people won’t make the effort to learn more complete information.
You can read the report here:
https://www.trbas.com/media/media/acrobat/2018-12/70135058816260-12074125.pdf#nt=instory-link
Each area of responsibility needs to be addressed after this investigation is finalized and those responsible held accountable.
That doesn't absolve the failure of the single armed individual from responding and doing his duty to confront, distract and maybe kill the psychotic who is shooting unprotected kids without any serious interference. His whole purpose in life at that moment was to use that pistol for what it was designed to do and take that crud out. Instead, he stood there. He is a foul disgrace and should be severely punished.
As a 20-year old, I had to face machine gun fire, mortar attacks, mines, and individual snipers daily and did not falter and none of my fellow Marines faltered either. You put on the uniform, pick up the weapon, and you do what you are trained to do. I was severely wounded by a machine gun while dragging a wounded Marine to cover, so I have no illusions about the immense dangers - but men do what they are supposed to do.
This fat slob put on the uniform, carried his weapon and left 14 kids to die and 84 to be wounded when he was the only one on site who could really have done anything. There are tactics and procedures for taking on a shooter in a hall, which he should have known or at least tried. He didn't.
He is scum. And from the view of this combat veteran, the cops at Columbine were cowardly scum too.
As a 20-year old, I had to face machine gun fire, mortar attacks, mines, and individual snipers daily and did not falter and none of my fellow Marines faltered either. You put on the uniform, pick up the weapon, and you do what you are trained to do. I was severely wounded by a machine gun while dragging a wounded Marine to cover, so I have no illusions about the immense dangers - but men do what they are supposed to do.
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A school is not a combat zone. The SRO is not a soldier, and soldiers are not alone.
Did you read the report?
In this case, it was. And this useless excuse for a man was the only armed individual there who could have acted against the psycho. The "SRO" was armed with a pistol. What was it for? Picking his nose? Decoration?
I read the report - many people failed but he was the worst failure.
Why are you sticking up for him? Would you have hid out too?
“A school is not a combat zone”
In this case, it was.
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No it wasn’t.
If it was there would have been soldiers stationed there with superior intelligence, firepower and protection like helmets and vests.
And no, the SRO wasn’t the worst failure. The campus monitor who was the first to see Cruz and who failed to call a code red was the worst failure on that day. Such an action could have saved everybody.
I’m not here to stick up for the SRO. I’m here to tell the other side of the story that the media isn’t telling and that 99.99999% of the people won’t find for themselves.
There seems to be some odd quirk to your thinking: if someone is armed and firing over a hundred shots and you have to oppose him - that's combat. Waiting to put all the right clothing on is sort of immaterial, isn't it?
Don't doubt for a second that all responsible parties before and during that atrocity should be hauled in front of the public and punished for their failures - but the one guy with a weapon, uniform, badge and the responsibility to fight to save those kids didn't and must be dealt with.
Don't know what happened to American manhood. Maybe between all of those brave guys we lost in the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam and the latest small wars thinned out the DNA of the "bravery" gene and we ended up with excuse-making cowards.
You should stop standing of for the Coward of Broward - only makes me wonder about you.
Don’t doubt for a second that all responsible parties before and during that atrocity should be hauled in front of the public and punished for their failures - but the one guy with a weapon, uniform, badge and the responsibility to fight to save those kids didn’t and must be dealt with.
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True, but criminal charges is going too far compared to the wrist slaps everyone else has already received. Nothing else is going to happen to them.
The person who could have saved the most lives was the campus monitor who failed to call a code red.
Unless that was your child who was murdered or maimed. Then sending the gutless wonder to jail would seem too light.
Something isn’t right when the SRO is more hated than the shooter.
Again, your thinking is distorted: the SRO isn't "hated more than the shooter" - the mad dog Cruz will be dealt with but the SRO cowered and thus failed to protect the helpless and unarmed. He is culpable for his failure.
To any normal person, a coward is repellent.
Again, your thinking is distorted: the SRO isn’t “hated more than the shooter”
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Going by the posts here on FR he is.
Oh, he’s disgusting alright - and I sincerely hope he gets at least ten years for staying out of the line of fire while helpless young people and adult heroes were cut down.
Two reasons:
1. Punishment for failing those whom it was his responsibility to protect. He had the means to fight but stayed away. He could have entered and guided survivors to safety. He could have entered and located the suspect and kept him contained. He could have approached Cruz’s position and taken him under fire and pinned him down. He could have shot it out with him (pistols work better in close quarters combat than rifles). He could have handed his 9mm to someone willing to fight. He didn’t do any of this. He listened to the psycho fire shot after shot and stayed safe where he was.
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2. As an example for those others who wear the uniform that they will be expected to get into the fight and not shirk their duty/ hide. You want to be law enforcement officer and carry a weapon? Then you will be expected to risk your life for others.
This wasn’t close quarters combat. These were long straight hallways in a large building that could hold up to 900 students. There was one hallway on each floor with an entrance on each end. There were three floors in the building.
You obviously didn’t read the report that you said you did.
The SRO had a pistol. He had no vest or helmet and limited ammo. He had no communications with anybody inside the building. He did not know where Cruz was inside the building.
Cruz had an MP15 and hundreds of rounds in magazines that either held 30 or 40 rounds. The report said Cruz’s weapon was lethal through all the doors and interior walls, so the SRO would have had no cover. Cruz stayed in the hallways so he had excellent visibility of anyone who tried to enter. Cruz killed the first school employee in the hallway shortly after he entered the building. The second school employee was killed as he opened the door to the hallway.
Like I said before the best chance to save lives would have been if the first campus monitor called a code red. That would have locked the students in the classrooms. Cruz did not enter the classrooms. His goal was to set up a sniper position on the third floor and kill anybody in his sight along the way.
I reiterate: he did nothing. He didn’t know what he would face because he never went in.
You aren’t particularly well versed in combat techniques in buildings. You never enter an open a area without ensuring that you show as little of yourself as possible from an angle that is unexpected (such as floor level or near the ceiling). Once your adversary reveals his position, you work from there. All fighting within buildings is “close quarters combat”.
If he had even shown up and fired a shot or two, he would have diverted the bastard’s attention from other people..
But he hid out and never went in.
It’s immaterial that the other people didn’t immediately declare Code Red - they should be taken on separately. We are talking about a paid, sworn, and armed law enforcement officer failing.
The hallways were nearly 200 feet long and 10 to 12 feet wide. That favors the rifle and it's not close quarters combat that would favor the pistol.
If he had even shown up and fired a shot or two, he would have diverted the bastard’s attention from other people..
Cruz then could have changed plans, entered the classrooms and shot people there.
We are talking about a paid, sworn, and armed law enforcement officer failing.
I said in my first post that he failed.
Very glad you were never in any unit of mine. All you can do is find excuses why something could not be done.
I have been fortunate to have in the company of men who have always ran towards the gunfire without looking for reasons not to.
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