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Did Trump fumble an uprising in Venezuela?
WP ^ | May 1, 2019 | Ishan Tharoor

Posted on 05/01/2019 9:30:59 AM PDT by NorseViking

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To: LS

this dictator

Didn’t he win the election? Who elected the guy that the Washington Post supports?


21 posted on 05/01/2019 9:45:09 AM PDT by rintintin (q)
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To: rintintin

yeah, but as Jefferson said, elected leaders can become dictators and must be overthrown.


22 posted on 05/01/2019 9:48:00 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

People who fight for their freedom seem to appreciate it and those that don’t have to fight for it seem not to. Most of those non fighters appear to me to be Democrats.


23 posted on 05/01/2019 9:49:27 AM PDT by excalibur21
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To: LS

By their own people, of course. I don’t remember Jefferson teaching Americans to solve other peoples’ tyrant problems.


24 posted on 05/01/2019 9:49:49 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: ClearCase_guy

Is your life different today because there hasn’t been a government turnover in Venezuela? If the media and John Bolton weren’t complaining about it, would you ever even have heard about the Venezuelan infighting?

Should your tax dollars be used to meddle in a faraway mess that has no impact on you or your family? Or would you rather that we focus on, to coin a phrase, America first?


25 posted on 05/01/2019 9:49:51 AM PDT by rintintin (q)
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To: rintintin

“” “” The DoD and CIA are quite clearly working with the Venezuelan opposition.

So we’re working with the party that lost the Venezuelan election? While at the same time complaint about (alleged) Russian interference in US politics?”” “”

The irony of the situation escapes many here.


26 posted on 05/01/2019 9:51:10 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: LS

The Washington Post wants the elected leader in venezuela overthrown. Ironically, they also want the elected leader in the US overthrown


27 posted on 05/01/2019 9:51:57 AM PDT by rintintin (q)
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To: NorseViking

The left wants Trump to get involved in this.
Don’t fall for the trap.
Iraq and Afghanistan didn’t help GWB but were used as weapons against him in 04-08


28 posted on 05/01/2019 9:56:13 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: NorseViking

No, got any more stupid questions?


29 posted on 05/01/2019 9:58:00 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: NorseViking

Somebody failed it looks like


30 posted on 05/01/2019 9:58:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monumnets decision ...thank you)
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"The Monroe Doctrine is alive and well,” he declared, referring to the domineering 19th-century American policy. “It’s our hemisphere.” But, at least for now, the White House doesn’t seem to be getting its way.

That's really about all the content we're getting in this little sneer piece. Author Ishan Tharoor has offered nothing in the way of what even was done, much less what should have been. This is it - "it looks like Trump failed." Mighty deep analysis there.

If we get anything from this empty waste of words it's that the author would have been happier with a bloody intervention that failed even worse, the more horrible the better so that they can blame Trump for it. Tharoor is supposedly an expert in foreign relations. The limits of this "expertise" are showing pretty badly here.

31 posted on 05/01/2019 10:00:26 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

The article is obviously a hit job.


32 posted on 05/01/2019 10:01:19 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: wardaddy

It looks like Maduro, with Russian and Cuban assistance, is firmly in control.


33 posted on 05/01/2019 10:01:48 AM PDT by damper99 (pu)
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To: NorseViking

Whatever happens, however we may choose to help, our help has to be completely behind the scenes. The outcome has to have only Venezuelan fingerprints on it.

Because no matter how bad Maduro is (and Chavez was) ten years from now he will be a martyr and we will be blamed for the flaws in Venezuela from now to eternity if there is any way to blame us for his removal. Just think how, to this day, people still blame us for Iran, because 70 years ago we stopped a leftist from taking power there. When they should really be blaming us because Carter intervened on behalf of the Ayatollah.


34 posted on 05/01/2019 10:03:31 AM PDT by marron
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To: LS

I’m ambivalent

These dictators can linger

Maduro is now like Chavez a reference point for other Latin American socialist movements against Uncle Sam

If Brasil and Colombia wish to provide on the ground help I’m in favor of our air support and tech and logistic help

Unless things have changed since my days in Venezuela Maduro has no fedayeen or revolutionary guards

He survives through patronage to general officers in the Air Force mainly and Army

He doesn’t have the support Chavez did in the Ranchos

Or any groundswell

This ain’t Vietnam or Afghanistan


35 posted on 05/01/2019 10:05:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monumnets decision ...thank you)
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To: NorseViking

“History is a process, not an event” bert

The process began in earnest yesterday

The assholes regurgitating fake news are no longer considered as Americans.

They have resigned


36 posted on 05/01/2019 10:05:31 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Honduras must be invaded to protect America from invasion)
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To: LS
Trump did this just right. The Venezuelan people will deal with this dictator.

Yes.

37 posted on 05/01/2019 10:05:53 AM PDT by JonPreston ( The GOPe is on board with the North American Union and the European Union.)
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To: marron

“” “” Because no matter how bad Maduro is (and Chavez was) ten years from now he will be a martyr and we will be blamed for the flaws in Venezuela from now to eternity if there is any way to blame us for his removal. Just think how, to this day, people still blame us for Iran, because 70 years ago we stopped a leftist from taking power there. When they should really be blaming us because Carter intervened on behalf of the Ayatollah.”” “”

That’s some golden words. If only people in power were as wise as you.


38 posted on 05/01/2019 10:06:05 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

Cubans and Russians are on the ground in VZ.

Guaido is not clean, he has all the wrong globalist neocon friends.

POTUS has no clean way to handle this. Staying out encourages Cuba to make more trouble

Maduro was elected and yes the VZ voters have ID etc. But in commie settings it’s always “who counts the votes” and the intel points to Maduro rigging the vote.

I think POTUS will kick Cuban @ss and set up monitored elections.


39 posted on 05/01/2019 10:06:43 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: damper99

Yes which in my opinion means we should help more

Putin has far less power in Latin America than we do

Why let him and the Cubans establish a power base with closer Citgo oil for Cuba than shipping Russian paid for refined products


40 posted on 05/01/2019 10:07:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monumnets decision ...thank you)
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