Apple v. FBI/DOJ Ping!
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Posted on 04/23/2019 3:51:58 PM PDT by Swordmaker
In an interview with the visiting Harvard professor Nancy Gibbs at the Time 100 event on Tuesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook said he wished his company's fight with the FBI over the ability to unlock an iPhone had actually gone to court.
"Our battle was over whether or not the government could force Apple to create a tool that could put hundreds of millions of people at risk in order to get into a phone — and we said no, the law does not support the government having the authority to do that," Cook told Gibbs.
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Thank you for the heads up.
“Rigged” is the FBI’s middle name.
Interesting. Thanks for the ping. BTTT.
Passwords only provide security if you're dead.
If you're alive a criminal will torture you and/or your loved ones and you WILL provide the password.
A judge will keep you in jail for contempt if there's evidence you know the password.
Only death makes a password secure.
Someone ought to sell a REAL security feature.
“Someone ought to sell a REAL security feature.”
I don’t even know if it is possible.
Like you said, there is always coercion.
Maybe a biometric embedded in a lie detector test - if they ever become reliable
re: “Apple won’t help the US gov’t when it comes to terrorism. But it will do anything the Chinese want.”
Yeah. I want a tool the mob, or a group of hackers and CC thieves can exploit ...
BETTER just to leave Pandora’s box “unbuilt”.
China does not have a constitution tha gurantees citizens be free from unwarranted search and seizure.
HE HAD A CHOICE WITH CHINA, they weren’t going to throw HIM in a cell.
The Feds simply didn’t offer Tim enough money to sell us out the way the Chinese did to make him sell out his 300 million Chinese so THEY can now be more easily arrested for thought crimes, a concept that Cook clearly approves of, since he bans Alex Jones, he bans Inconvenient Facts (app that disproves globull whining BS) yet he leaves up Farrakhan, and he gives millions to the SPLC.
I think a system that’s like safety boxes in banks.
It’s the presence of another person that provides an opportunity to “escape”.
-On a phone one could enter a “distress” signal in the process.
Of course that costs more.
The main thing for manufacturers is cheapness. By making it impossible for them to open the device they are saving unknown future costs, Money talks.
it still doesn’t work.
“Open the safety deposit box and act nice or we do the kids.”
There are just too many forms of coercion.
Got a point there.
But at least one can notify someone of their distress, though the transaction would go through ( so the perps aren’t alarmed) and some actions could be taken.
Certain businesses are required to have REAL phone security. Not sure what that entails now. Anyway it ain’t cheap.
“John Rawls” is a fellow who was held in contempt for not supplying his Apple password.
His appeal was slapped down by the 3rd Cicuit.
AFAIK he’s still in jail almost 4 years later.
He was right.
The real problem is that so many of these tech companies, many of them which receive government licenses or operate under government regulation give the government an end-run around the 4th Amendment. ATT for just one example, makes billions from the government, is licensed by the government, is regulated by the government... and when the government asks them to violate user privacy they say “YES!”. Since we are more or less forced to give so much data to these companies just by using their products the data belongs to them and they are free to give it to the government without a Warrant.
All this talk about facebook privacy etc totally misses the point. What we the people should demand is that the government abide by the Constitution all the time. No going around it by asking private companies that depend on government money, licensing and regulation to voluntarily turn data over. The Courts have taken our side, so far, by telling local police they cannot force their way into devices. We need to take it all the way.
But these companies send data out of the country- where the Constitution doesn’t apply- because it’s cheaper.
Hold the tech companies responsible.
Heck, you don’t even have the option to choose to keep your data in the US so it’s protcted by the Constitution.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Apple volunteered to unlock the Apple iPhone 5C work phone assigned to Said Farouk. They also provided everything in Farouk’s Apple iCloud account to the FBI. The FBI refused Apple’s assistance, claiming their local techs with the San Bernardino County Health Department’s IT tech could unlock it without Apple’s help. Those idiots succeeded in changing the AppleID associated with that iPhone 5C, making it impossible to unlock via Apple’s normal methods. It ultimately cost the FBI a million dollars to have a third party unlock it five months later.
The FBI attempted to force Apple to create an entirely new version of iOS to install on the iPhone 5C that bypassed all security measures, and give it to them. This would have allowed the FBI to unlock over ~400 million iPhones, destroying billions of dollars in Apple’s value as a company. They used a form of court order called an All Writs Order which the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled twice before cannot be used to compel such a thing. That is why TIM cook says he wishes the case had actually been adjudicated. They already had won an injunction on the merit they were likely to win. . . That’s why the FBI folded, even though they claimed they’d found a company to unlock the iPhone. . . But that company didn’t perform for months proving the lie of their claim.
Also, the Chinese government does not have free access to every users’ iPhone In China. The government there still has to get a court to order a search, which is easier than here i grant you, but the keys to the Chinese Apple iCloud are not in government hands. They are kept in Apple’s China Headquarters. Apple still needs to unlock each record after receiving a legal search warrant, just as is done here. If a user chooses not to use the iCloud, his or her data is encrypted and so long as the user has a complex passcode, it’s safe. The hype when Chinese laws required Apple and others to have their cloud servers along with their encryption keys within the physical borders of mainland China, in other words, to follow the laws and regulations of a nation with one billion people, just like they must follow the laws and regulations of every other nation where they do business, including the US, was just that, hype. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft (who handed over their entire Windows source code to China’s government (something Apple refused to do for their operating systems), and every other tech company who wants to do business in China had to do exactly the same damn thing, simply obey their laws. Apple doesn’t cooperate with Chinese government because they like their pricey invasion policies. They argue against them.
Come on dude.
At least acknowledge that the tech companies bear some responsibility.
You and Timmy know that's a lie and Apple could have gotten the judge to make it a one-time solution that stayed in Apple's hands and would require a warrant for each use.
Also the gov would be required to pay for its creation and costs of its use.
It just wasn't good PR.
Oh, sure, right. The choice in China was to either comply with Chinese law or pull out of China. . . the same choice given to every single other tech company doing business in China. Nobody was thrown under the bus. . . or into a cell. The change was that Chinese citizens’ iCloud data by LAW in China could no longer be stored in servers located in Singapore but had to be stored on servers inside the borders of China. In addition, the encryption keys to those data servers also had to be kept inside the Chinese borders. That was the full extent of the 2016 change in the law. Apple retained control of the encryption keys in their Apple China headquarters. Where were any Chinese Apple customers compromised en masse? No where.
There were people in the US that were convinced by breathless fake news articles that Apple was moving ALL iCloud data to China, including theirs. Nothing of the kind was happening but hysterical people pushed that claim that Apple was outsourcing all iCloud accounts to China. Absurd.
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