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America’s 233-Year-Old Shock at Jihad
americanthinker.com ^ | 3/26/2019 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 03/26/2019 9:56:51 AM PDT by rktman

Exactly 233 years ago this week, two of America’s founding fathers documented their first exposure to Islamic jihad in a letter to Congress; like many Americans today, they too were shocked at what they learned.

Context: in 1785, Muslim pirates from North Africa, or “Barbary,” had captured two American ships, the Maria and Dauphin, and enslaved their crews. In an effort to ransom the enslaved Americans and establish peaceful relations, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams -- then ambassadors to France and England respectively -- met with Tripoli’s ambassador to Britain, Abdul Rahman Adja. Following this diplomatic exchange, they laid out the source of the Barbary States’ hitherto inexplicable animosity to American vessels in a letter to Congress dated March 28, 1786:

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ibrahim; islam; jihad; jihadis; marines; mooselimbs; top; tripoli; usjihad
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To: rktman

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21 posted on 03/26/2019 10:30:23 AM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: rktman; DieHard the Hunter; Fred Nerks; Byron_the_Aussie

And Auckland will eventually become East Istanbul at the rate that crazy PM is carrying on. (And no, it’s not because she’s a woman; Kiwis could have just as easily elected an uber-liberal girly man.)


22 posted on 03/26/2019 10:32:21 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Modern feminism: ALL MEN BAD!!!)
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To: t4texas

I aware that the Marine term “Leathernecks” resulted from the high leather collars that they wore, presumably to prevent Moslem swords from beheading them. Please correct me if I’m wrong.


23 posted on 03/26/2019 10:34:19 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Modern feminism: ALL MEN BAD!!!)
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To: Fiddlstix

15 of the 19 were from S.A., and the recently declassified section of the 911 report did imply there was some possible Saudi collusion. I have no idea about the origins of the other 4.


24 posted on 03/26/2019 10:35:43 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Modern feminism: ALL MEN BAD!!!)
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To: rktman

This is history that should be taught in public schools. (Except public schools need to be replaced entirely.)


25 posted on 03/26/2019 10:50:00 AM PDT by unlearner (War is coming.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Thanks for the info. I'll remove the one reference. The rest stays.
In reality it doesn't matter since they're all muzslimes
Jmho
26 posted on 03/26/2019 10:50:44 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: rktman

John Quincy Adams on Islam

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).


27 posted on 03/26/2019 10:56:53 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: rktman
(The First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitanian War and the Barbary Coast War)
28 posted on 03/26/2019 11:05:42 AM PDT by yoe
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To: unlearner

Public schools need be eliminated entirely.


29 posted on 03/26/2019 11:15:01 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rktman

The “peaceful” Muslim populations in western nations is nothing more than a time bomb waiting for their signal. How will the west react? Not well is my fear.


30 posted on 03/26/2019 11:43:00 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: rktman

At some point we are likely to reach a point where ‘the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim’. Will they reform or renounce to avoid that?


31 posted on 03/26/2019 11:51:05 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: rktman
The ONLY thing the Muslim's understand, and somewhat respect is overwhelming force. B we can cast aside our human decency for a period of time, and use such force we can end the insanity.
32 posted on 03/26/2019 11:56:05 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists call 'em what you will they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: All

Don’t let facts sway you. A huge swath of USA knows only their touch screens.


33 posted on 03/26/2019 12:29:30 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam ; USAgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: rktman

I only learned about this 10 or so years ago. Never ever learned in school about the slave trade that plied the Mediterranean and took white captives from seafaring nations and places like Sicily. And it was done as a form of Jihad.


34 posted on 03/26/2019 1:18:14 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Slyfox

How can you reason with an ideology born of child brides and war as a means of wealth generation?


35 posted on 03/26/2019 1:20:02 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

14 of the 19 … none of them the leaders or pilots. Atta the leader of them all was Egyptian with Syrian connections. His Hamburg cell was under the wing of two Syrians, on an Imam played their spiritual advisor ...the other was a Syrian businessman and “former” Syrian intelligence official.

Of the 19 at least one was from the UAE, another from Jordan or Lebanon...forget the others.


36 posted on 03/26/2019 1:56:24 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Fiddlstix

14 of the 19 were Sauds… none of them the leaders or pilots. I don’t know how many of those were true Saudis or were transplants if any.
Atta, the leader of them all was Egyptian with Syrian connections. His Hamburg cell was under the wing of two Syrians, on an Imam played their spiritual advisor ...the other was a Syrian businessman and “former” Syrian intelligence official.
Of the 19 at least one was from the UAE, another from Jordan or Lebanon...forget the others.


37 posted on 03/26/2019 1:59:50 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Fiddlstix

The “magnificent 19” picture, you might note, is from the group al Mujahiroun, and says as much with a link to their weeb page.

al Mujhiroun , that glorifies the 9/11 hijackers, is a group based in London that is OPPOSED to the House of Saud’s rule in Saudi Arabia. It is not a loyalist group at all. It is associated with “Captain Hook,” a grotesque-looking imam and welfare dependent who successfully bullsheissed the press into thinking he lost his hands fighting Russians instead of trying to build bombs to kill civilians. His hook prosthetics led to his nickname.


38 posted on 03/26/2019 2:07:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Sam Gamgee
For a short while it was possible. They had acquired Aristotle's works in some of their raids and a few of the more intelligent among them started reading the works. For a few centuries, they had developed some very interesting ideas. But it wasn't to last before the imams put the kabosh on the whole enterprise.

No, you can't reason with an ideology born of child brides and war as a means of wealth generation. But, for a very short while reason tried to make an inroad and almost succeeded.

39 posted on 03/26/2019 4:11:13 PM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: rktman

Just for fun...

“... the trifling affair of our having eleven captives at Algiers (who ought long ago to have been ransomed) is made the pretext for going to war with them, and fitting out a fleet. “

Senator MacClay was a hoot in the first Congress.
Link at the rop of this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/746918/posts
(Yet I can’t move it here...?)

Check him out for ‘different’ views from our founding.


40 posted on 03/26/2019 4:31:27 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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