We Are Going To Lose The Coming War With China

Townhall.com ^ | March 21, 2019 | Kurt Schlichter

[vannrox]

The chinese are a serious people with nuclear weapons and are not afraid to use them. Don’t mess with the panda.

[FreedomPoster]

Must read ping.

[marktwain]

1. Japan will develop nuclear weapons. 2. South Korea will develop nuclear weapons. 3. The US will seize the Treasury notes China holds. 4. The US will stop all trade with China. 5. The NATO and SEATO nations stop all trade with China.

If China wins, why would they allow these things to happen?

They would have won, and become the sole superpower in the world.

[Alberta's Child]

I used to think the Chinese were eventually going to dominate the world.

Then I saw how they drive cars.

Seriously, folks ... they may be "smart," but I have never encountered people who are collectively more dull and unimaginative than the Chinese.

[FreedomPoster]

Trump is clearly acting to counter such a move with his attempt to create a Space Force.

Nevertheless, Schlichter brings forth some worthwhile discussion points.

[King Moonracer]

The Chinese invasion forces will benefit from gun confiscation in other countries.

[cuban leaf]

I think this guy spent too much time in the military, and is surprisingly simplistic in his assessment of U.S.-China capabilities.

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I think you are right. Even ex-generals make bad arm-chair generals. We have highly paid people that to exercises based on various models. i.e. this information and wisdom he shares is more for the public. Our military and geopolitical planners have been on that train since we lost the Vietnam war. As long as Democrats are not in charge, we’ll be fine, or as fine as we have the ability to be.

[nathanbedford]

While the author's observations are certainly not new and his criticism of our war planners is probably to a great degree unwarranted, I think his observations about the neutering of flag rank in favor of political correctness is right on.

Worse, I think the situation is worse than he paints. If a situation arises in which we must confront China militarily, be assured that we will not be doing so from secure, or even relatively secure, bases in places like Korea and Japan because these self-serving nations will have long before put American power in the balance relative to China and found it wanting. We will be very much alone.

I said that the criticism is not new, I found an old reply of mine submitted May 20, 2009, about a decade ago which says as follows:

the end of the Nimitz class construction program was… in the natural order of things. My fears about the eclipsing of American power projection capability do not have much to do with the loss of this technology which is inevitable, as another poster points out, in the age of drones, missiles, and satellites.

So many of us on this forum have posted long and often about the folly of directing so much of our precious resources into a platform which is already a relic, as much as a British gunboat of the 19th century, and increasingly vulnerable to asymmetrical attack when the enemy is a superpower and not a Third World dictatorship such as the author describes in Saddam Hussein.

The question is, what is to be in the space force? It is inevitable that space be weaponized. It is unthinkable that any nation other than the United States be the first to do so. Is it politically correct to do so? Evidently, the Trump administration is not intimidated by political correctness from taking proactive steps to protect the nation from this new age of warfare. The push for the Space Force is good evidence of that.

If the new cold or hot war is to be fought with China and if it is to be fought with whizbang weapons we had better make damn sure that we own artificial intelligence, drones, lasers, cyberspace and outer space. Here again, it appears that the Chinese are undertaking to swarm us. Our universities are graduating 500,000 STEM graduates while the Chinese are producing 4 1/2 million annually.

The authors warnings about quantity having a quality of its own also applies to this new world accessible with the keyboard.

[trebb]

...but Sun Tzu wrote about it. Don’t fight the enemy’s strength; fight his weakness. Strike where he is not. Spread confusion about your intentions; force him to lash out.

Ummm - whole different world with all that technology of today....communications alone negates much of the advantages of Sun Tzu's world and tactics.

[Psalm 73]

I assume we would go at least tactical nuclear early on.
Unless Joe Biden is President, then we just surrender.

[jdsteel]

Neither will China be permitted to fight a war on their terms.

An attack on a carrier group or our satellites is, IMHO, highly unlikely as an array of stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, submarine based missiles and other cool military tech would quickly follow. And they know it.

US military and intelligence services hackers also exist, and would fight fire with fire.

The analysis of the US rolling over if attacked by China is also laughable.

[combat_boots]

I believe the hypersonic and emp weapons will be used. Our biggest war to come will be in space. I also think it already here.

[nathanbedford]

Am I missing something?

Maybe, maybe we should carefully factor in the breathtaking speed of transformation being wrought by technology. What's the formula, capacity doubles every 18 months? But that hardly tells the whole story of the speed of application of technology to changing everything we know about the world.

The Chinese are in a position to dominate a whole new battlescape in a time frame that might be much shorter than would make us comfortable to contemplate. They are producing about eight times as many STEM graduates as we are. We like to think that we have an unsurmountable lead in innovation but that might not be true as the Chinese are proving more and more capable of excellence in new fields.

So the threat from the Chinese is much less likely to be a military confrontation leading to nuclear war but rather a combination of developments, or perhaps envelopments, which first isolate America and then paralyze its will. We are very likely to lose the economic war with China, we are likely to lose a technological war with China, we are likely to lose all our allies and find them neutral or associated with China, we are very likely to lose strategic spots around the globe such as described by Adm. Mahon -in fact we already are seeing this phenomenon, we are likely to see pusillanimous leftists in America find 1000 reasons why we should make love not war.

The danger is real, it is the timeline that is unknown, but it must be reckoned in understanding of the pace of technological change. The danger is internal as well is Sino. The more powerful China gets, the more the left in America deserts.

[Leaning Right]

> If China wins, why would they allow these things to happen? <

That’s an interesting point. I guess it would depend on the magnitude of their victory. But I don’t see how that victory could be so great that China would be able to dictate trade terms to the US.

[Gay State Conservative]

And thanks to the free traitors, they're paying for them with our money.

The biggest mistake that the world's "advanced" nations have made in the last 100 years (or more) was to open their ports to Chinese made goods.I've visited Red China four times...the first being in 1980,the most recent being in 2016.

During my first visit to China I witnessed the morning "rush hour" in Guangzhou (formerly known as "Canton"),which is a major city a couple of hundred miles north of Hong Kong.

That rush hour featured many old Soviet style buses,a number of Soviet style military vehicles,a handful of Soviet style limos and about 800,000 bicycles. I kid you not!

On my most recent visit (to the same city) I witnessed the evening rush hour.It featured,among other things,bumper-to-bumper Toyotas,Kias and Buicks (yes,I said Buicks).

Over the last 30+ years a portion of what we've paid for the worthless crap China produces has gone toward making China's military *the* greatest threat to world peace since the Nazis and the Soviets.

[uncbob]

Thanks to that worthless Nixon and Kissinger

[Shane]

“I think this guy spent too much time in the military”

You clearly do not know Kurt Schlichter.

[Shane]

“Does he really think the U.S. ever would have engaged in a major military campaign like that on anything other than OUR terms?”

Obviously he does, and based on the current state of our Politicians, why would you think differently? Or even our Military, 50% think Climate Change is the most pressing threat! You may want to re-read the article.

[Shane]

I could not agree with you more Matt. I hope that you are well.

[central_va]

We’re hanging our whole maritime strategy in the Pacific Ocean around a few of these big, super-expensive iron airfields. If a carrier battle group (a carrier rolls with a posse like an old school rapper) gets within aircraft flight range of an enemy, then the enemy will have a bad day.

Clearly this guy has never been in the Navy or learned tactics at the Naval War college. If you were never trained in modern Naval tactics then please stop with the dumb anti aircraft carrier crap.