Posted on 03/03/2019 11:31:19 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
I think they rubber stamp the requests.
Remember, during the campaign with Flynn and then later with Trump, crowds were taunting "Lock Her Up." That all may be in fun and a release of real frustration that supporters needed to express . . . However, in one or more FBI's congressional testimony, they spoke of when they (FBI/DOJ/CIA) first heard it when Flynn was on stage (May ???) it mattered. Hillary campaign folks testified that upon hearing "Lock Her Up" . . . . they wanted to bury Trump.
Ya know the ole saying, for every action, there is . . . .
Was Trump set up. Yes and No. Looking back AFTER the fact makes it much easier to say than in the moment. I love POTUS very much, but it was POTUS who brought in 3 campaign people who ALREADY were under FBI survellance for Russian connections long before Trump knew of these folks.
1. Flynn (for his 2013 visit to GRU, his association with Lokhova (2014) (Halper was the CI) his lobbying for Turkey and Middle East and finally his 2015 visit to Moscow).
2. As mentioned Carter, who was last interviewed by the FBI in March 2016 in connection to the Podobny case, where FBI Carlin tells the court that Carter was the FBI informant and assisted in breaking up that small Russian spy network.)
3. But the person that triggered this whole case against Trump was when he hired Paul Manafort. There are many many layers, but central to all the layers and as I say the "Trigger" was Paul Manafort.
Alexandria Chalupa (Ukraine - American) is on record and when the movie is made . . . it will start with her.
It was Alexandria who (she had already known the back-story of some jilted love affair in regards to Manafort. Her sister and professional friends all knew Manfort's work in the Ukraine. They knew every skeleton bone in the closet).
DNC had chosen Trump in early 2015 to be the candidate they wanted to run against. Alexandria was preparing for Trump / Manafort in September 2015. As she claims . . . it was hunch. But a very smart and astute hunch. Why? Who in the RNC wanted to risk working with Trump? All the A class political advisors were committed to other Republican candidates. Manafort was the ONLY person available to help Trump win (convention delegates for example).
DNC nurtured Trump to win till the day he won and then they had a serious OMG moment, what have we done. (all in news articles)
So Manafort was a major trigger . . . . but the other major trigger was Trump himself. His foreign policy speeches was a major threat to the European/Russia/NATO conflict. All one has to do is study Ukraine from Hillary Clinton days (2009 till 2016) to understand how Yuuuuge a threat Trump was/is to this region of the world. Of course UK and the IC community would never allow someone like Trump to become POTUS.
In summary, Chalupa had prepared the DNC/Hillary campaign for Manafort beginning in September 2015. 2 Trump unwittingly hired folks who already were under FBI survelliance for relationship with Russia. 3 Trump's NATO and foreign policy were triggers.
As someone said . . . was no real plan until they began to see how weak Hillary was and Trump was coming on strong . . . then they did what they always do!
Nonsense. The fix by Deep State was in on Hillary long before the "lock her up" chants. Hillary was given a pass on Benghazi and her emails. The State Department review on Benghazi headed by Tom Pickering never even included an interview with Hillary. Why would Flynn's leading the chant of "Lock her up" be a seminal event?
Was Trump set up. Yes and No. Looking back AFTER the fact makes it much easier to say than in the moment.
Yes and No? Give me a break. Do I have to recount a litany of facts that clearly show a set up? Gregg Jarret wrote a book about it citing clear evidence that was the case. Sundance has laid out a detailed history of events using source material. The Strzok-Page texts reveal a clear agenda and plan. Giuliani calls Brennan the quarterback of the effort. The use of Halper, Mifsud, Downer, etc. to entrap Papadopoulos and Page. The selection of Mueller to be Special Counsel after the firing of Comey. The composition of the Mueller investigative team and the many conflicts of interest are as clear as the nose on your face.
Ya know the ole saying, for every action, there is . . . . I love POTUS very much, but it was POTUS who brought in 3 campaign people who ALREADY were under FBI surveillance for Russian connections long before Trump knew of these folks.
Do you honestly think that Trump made the decision to bring in people like Carter Page and Papadopoulos? If the FBI was so concerned about Russian infiltration of the Trump campaign, why didn't they given a defensive briefing to Trump and the top members of his campaign? And since when is being under FBI surveillance a crime?
1. Flynn (for his 2013 visit to GRU, his association with Lokhova (2014) (Halper was the CI) his lobbying for Turkey and Middle East and finally his 2015 visit to Moscow).
Are you serious? Do you get your talking points from? The Moscow Project? Flynn was the head of DIA when he led a delegation in 2013 to meet with the GRU. It was totally public and legal. So what if the CIA (Brennan) objected to it? Are you suggesting that Flynn was a Russian agent? Our intelligence chiefs meet regularly with their counterparts on the other side. Making it sound sinister is just a pretext from getting rid of Flynn who was fired by Obama because of his dissenting views on the Iran deal among other things. And others in the intel community considered him something of a loose cannon. They did not want him to become the National Security Advisor.
Flynn's relationship with Lokhova is another red herring as is his trip to Moscow in 2015. Hillary's and Bill's connections with the Russians are far more disturbing and involve actual pay for play and policy questions. Flynn was doing nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to former USG officials cashing in on their positions re foreign governments. Registering under FARA is a common "crime" that is violated more than it is observed. The Podesta brothers were given a pass after they registered after the fact.
2. As mentioned Carter, who was last interviewed by the FBI in March 2016 in connection to the Podobny case, where FBI Carlin tells the court that Carter was the FBI informant and assisted in breaking up that small Russian spy network.)
Which makes the case that the FBI used Page to obtain a FISA warrant because he was an informant in on the deal. No one expected Hillary to lose, hence the use of the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign would never be revealed. I suspect that the spying took place long before the warrant was issued in October 2016.
3. But the person that triggered this whole case against Trump was when he hired Paul Manafort. There are many many layers, but central to all the layers and as I say the "Trigger" was Paul Manafort.
It was not a "trigger", but a pretext. Manafort's activities in Ukraine were long known to the FBI. And Manafort had worked with Tony Podesta in Ukraine. The DNC worked with Ukrainian government officials to get dirt on Manafort. It was part of the setup. Hillary attacked Trump during the debates on his Russian connections. Robby Mook blamed the Russians the day after the DNC hacking and release of materials.
Manafort is one of the key players in the dossier. Mueller's mission has been to validate the dossier and use it as a roadmap. Manafort was supposed to be the key to unlocking the case for collusion/conspiracy. They have crucified him trying to get him to not only sing but compose. Dredging up tax fraud from 2007 shows the level of desperation of the Mueller team. Read the dossier and the supposed role of Manafort who allegedly was using Carter Page as an intermediary with the Russian government.
So Manafort was a major trigger . . . . but the other major trigger was Trump himself. His foreign policy speeches was a major threat to the European/Russia/NATO conflict. All one has to do is study Ukraine from Hillary Clinton days (2009 till 2016) to understand how Yuuuuge a threat Trump was/is to this region of the world. Of course UK and the IC community would never allow someone like Trump to become POTUS.
European/Russia/NATO conflict? Be more specific. Trump wanted NATO to live up to its commitment to spend at least 2% on defense. Only four other countries and the US met that obligation. When I was assigned to NATO in the 1960s as a naval officer and to Berlin as a foreign service officer in the mid-80s, we used to call it burden sharing. There were lots of lip service, but the European allies preferred to spend their money on the demands of the welfare state (butter) than guns. Trump let them know the party was over. How much longer could the US afford to provide the security umbrella for Europe, a very wealthy community that has a similar size in terms of population and GDP as the US. And what is the real threat from Russia, a country in decline that has seen its empire broken up and its influence waning? The mission of NATO does need to be reexamined to see if it is still relevant in today's world.
As someone said . . . was no real plan until they began to see how weak Hillary was and Trump was coming on strong . . . then they did what they always do!
Au contraire. There was always the insurance plan despite believing that Hillary would win 100 million to 0. The shock of Strzok and Page after Trump won along with the reaction of the MSM tells you what they thought of Trump's chances of wining.
Aug. 8, 2016
Page: “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”
Strzok: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.”
Aug. 15, 2016
Strzok: “I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”
Judge Roy Bean would be proud of McCabe.Make up the law as you wish.
WHO was he getting DEATH THREATS from...BRENNAN....COMEY...MCCABE???
Trump’s only offense:
He disrupted the planned, expected end of the 28 year Bush-Clinton-Obama dynasty.
Hillary was expected to add another 8 years.
Then along comes this damn outsider, and they had to do anything/everything before, during, after his campaign, and election.
The opposition continues.
I wonder if Bill and Lorretta had Roberts and Ryan on the speaker phone, in that plane in Phoenix?
I agree Brennan is the quarterback, I use the word coordinator, same same. However, Brennan does not get activated until July. The wheels are already in motion.
I use Manafort as a trigger point because the day AFTER he is hired, March 28, as 'convention manager' 'the DNC' apparatus goes into action based upon Alexandria Chalupa's plan, which has been referred to as the Ukrainian Collusion. This is between certain members of the Ukraine IC/PM coordinated through the Ukranian embassy and the Clinton campaign.
re Papadopolous and Page, yes of course "Trump" did not hire them. It is easy to say Trump campaign was set-up. It certainly appears that way. But one can not ignore the fact there was an organizational failure due to a lack of a formal vetting system in place. Would it have mattered? probably not.
Re insurance plan . . . as you note, that is in August. They are still making things up as they go along. Interesting about the 'insurance plan I believe Sundance or someone pointed out was a reference to a "source" or informant they may have to burn. I re-looked at that and can see the possibility. I note others believe Mueller was the insurance policy. Myself . . . I lean towards the FISA warrants as the 'insurance policy." I can see Lisa Page arguing against doing them for all sorts of legal reasons, but Strzok sees the benefits if things go south.
Re NATO: Hard for me to express, After studying the fall of the Soviet empire "America" raping the Soviet Union (see Harvard Institute for International Development 1992-1998, and as you experienced NATO move into the satellite countries and then Putin's push back (Georgia, Ukraine Crimea), Trump's words and actions (I fully agree with Trump) is a threat to the EU.
Again, we agree on the big picture, its the details we are nibbling at. But I thank you for challenging my thoughts. I always welome validation and new insights
Ann, if you read Carter's story in full, if you understand his position that he promotes (Russian foreign policy) it actually makes sense, it mostly aligns with what Trump is promoting, thus he was hired as an advisor. Carter as was Flynn was saying this long before Trump announced his run for president 2016.
Sorry....but I still think Carter Page was/is a SPY that was put into the Trump Campaign to SPY on Trump!!
The reason I had doubts about Kavanaugh was that he ruled that the NSA’s spying was “entirely consistent with the Fourth Amendment.” To be sure, there could be a much worse scotus nominee, but the bar has been set too low, and nobody is likely to even try to fix anything significant in FISA.
Disagree. Brennan activated Halper, a CIA and DOD asset, in March 2016. IMO Deep State was already engaged in ops research on Trump for a number of years stemming from his "birther" attack against Obama that forced him to release the long form BC. In April 2016 ADM Rogers shut down all outside contractor access to raw FISA data--specifically outside contractors working for the FBI. Read Crowdstrike. and Nellie Ohr, another CIA asset. Rogers initiated a full compliance review. Brennan is the one who briefed Reid and the Gang of 8 on possible Russian collusion with the Trump campaign. Giuliani called Brennan the quarterback with good reason.
I use Manafort as a trigger point because the day AFTER he is hired, March 28, as 'convention manager' 'the DNC' apparatus goes into action based upon Alexandria Chalupa's plan, which has been referred to as the Ukrainian Collusion. This is between certain members of the Ukraine IC/PM coordinated through the Ukranian embassy and the Clinton campaign.
Manafort had been investigated before by the FBI and no charges were filed. He had also worked with Tony Podesta on lobbying on behalf of the Ukrainian regime. No doubt brother John who had his computer hacked knew all about Manafort's activities in Ukraine, which is why the DNC was in contact with the Ukrainian government to gather dirt on Manafort. Steele made sure that Manafort was a key actor in the dossier.
re Papadopolous and Page, yes of course "Trump" did not hire them. It is easy to say Trump campaign was set-up. It certainly appears that way. But one can not ignore the fact there was an organizational failure due to a lack of a formal vetting system in place. Would it have mattered? probably not.
Trump needed some foreign policy cred. He was confronted by the MSM to name his foreign policy team. He had none and relied on Sessions and others to assemble one. This was the best they could do. The FP Establishment wanted nothing to do with Trump.
Re insurance plan . . . as you note, that is in August. They are still making things up as they go along. Interesting about the 'insurance plan I believe Sundance or someone pointed out was a reference to a "source" or informant they may have to burn. I re-looked at that and can see the possibility. I note others believe Mueller was the insurance policy. Myself . . . I lean towards the FISA warrants as the 'insurance policy." I can see Lisa Page arguing against doing them for all sorts of legal reasons, but Strzok sees the benefits if things go south.
I tend towards the framing of Trump as the insurance plan using the CI investigation that had begun ostensibly in July of 2016. The Trump Tower meeting was a clear set up. And Deep State used a coordinated leak strategy to build momentum to get rid of Trump. The dossier, the unmaskings, Comey writing memos of conversation after each meeting with Trump were part of the plan as well. What they didn't anticipate was the firing of Comey. This is when they started making things up. Trump's unexpected victory must have set off all kinds of alarm bells. The effort to get rid of Trump went into overdrive. They had to cover their tracks.
Re NATO: Hard for me to express, After studying the fall of the Soviet empire "America" raping the Soviet Union (see Harvard Institute for International Development 1992-1998, and as you experienced NATO move into the satellite countries and then Putin's push back (Georgia, Ukraine Crimea), Trump's words and actions (I fully agree with Trump) is a threat to the EU.
The expansion of NATO under Clinton and Albright is what alarmed Putin. The Warsaw Pact countries begged to get into NATO because they feared that Russia would move against them at some point to bring them back into Russia's sphere of influence. It is debatable as to whether going slow on NATO expansion could have resulted in a different relationship with Russia, which was going thru a major internal realignment. With no Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact, it was difficult to see what threat was posed to Europe by Russia. NATO needed a new raison d'être.
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