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Test of Finland's basic income: It creates happiness but not jobs
MSN.com ^ | Feb. 8, 2019 | JAN M. OLSEN

Posted on 02/08/2019 7:19:39 PM PST by Hadean

COPENHAGEN, Denmark — A nationwide experiment with basic income in Finland has not increased employment among those participating in the two-year trial, but their general well-being seems to have increased, a report said Friday.

The Social Insurance Institution of Finland, or Kela, said "it was not yet possible to draw any firm conclusions" from the first half of the experiment, where about 2,000 randomly selected, unemployed people aged 25-58 got tax-free income of 560 euros ($636) a month with no questions asked.

Finland is looking into ways to reshape its social security system and became in January 2017 the first European country to launch the trial, which will end in 2020.

Critics say universal basic income reduces incentives for people to look for work.

Proponents say it can empower people to start new businesses, knowing that they would continue to receive monthly income no matter how well their new venture does. It can also encourage people to try a new job without the fear of losing their unemployment checks or having to go through the paperwork of reapplying for benefits.

"Earlier, I didn't accept all small jobs out of fear of losing my benefits and having to reapply for them," said writer Tuomas Muraja as he was on his way to a sauna before heading out for an evening at the opera.

"I feel much more secure now that short-term jobs no longer reduce my benefits or delay their payment."

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: basicincome; delusionalsystem; eurabia; europeanunion; finland; socialism; ubi; universalbasicincome
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It's still living in poverty. But hey, at least they feel good about it! Problem solved!
1 posted on 02/08/2019 7:19:39 PM PST by Hadean
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To: Hadean

Feeling good about useless, failed, and even harmful programs is what liberalism is all about.


2 posted on 02/08/2019 7:22:38 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Being woke means you can be nasty and hateful and use and racist slurs but feel morally superior.)
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“but their general well-being seems to have increased, a report said Friday.”

It’s good to know they have their priorities straight. Get it over with and let the ragheads conquer these clowns..


3 posted on 02/08/2019 7:23:00 PM PST by max americana (Happily Fired every stupid liberal at every election since 08' at work. I hope all liberals die.)
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To: Hadean

Many of these people, and here in the USA too, they are “unemployed” but working under the table in either illegal industries or they work under the table.
So, sure, they love getting something for nothing, they are rewarded for being bums or tax cheats. What a country!


4 posted on 02/08/2019 7:24:12 PM PST by Professional
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To: Hadean

Experimenting with this policy on 2,000 people is meaningless. Try it nationwide and let’s see how happy people are in ten years.


5 posted on 02/08/2019 7:25:44 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Hadean

And when 100% of the population is on this and only 10% half ass it into “work”?

Well why cant 100% of people be on this? Its only fair.

Wheres the money coming from then.

How are they gonna trade with other countries for goods?


6 posted on 02/08/2019 7:26:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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I mean because Finland is such a massive economic powerhouse now.


7 posted on 02/08/2019 7:27:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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Proponents say it can empower people to start new businesses, knowing that they would continue to receive monthly income no matter how well their new venture does. Naive. Idealistic. Stupid to the max.

Idealists, mostly liberals and progressives, fail to understand human nature.

The vast majority of people are not self-starters. The vast majority are not innovative. The vast majority are not leaders.

The vast majority only want a paycheck and a comfortable life. Give them a paycheck and a comfortable life, and they'll be more than glad to just watch others make the world better.

The few that are motivated and have leadership skills and the innovative spirit and skills, will be the ones that pay for the paychecks and the comfortable life of the majority. Without the investment and creative and leadership class, what results is vast poverty, aka: the ones that would've received the comfortable life with their adequate paychecks.

That's the simple definition of trickle-down. It's also the explanation of why socialism is a killer of any economy and the killer of jobs and paychecks. If Finland were to expand that guaranteed monthly income program to cover just 1/4 of their people, Finland would end up poorer than Venezuela in no time. Why would any innovative entrepreneur work his butt of to support the free-loaders?
8 posted on 02/08/2019 7:40:35 PM PST by adorno
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When it has clearly failed, they will want to do it even more.

Minority women in the US with college degrees in law, women’s’ studies and sociology will urge adoption here, too.


9 posted on 02/08/2019 7:51:02 PM PST by truth_seeker ( ^^\/**|_|**\/ ^^)
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To: Hadean
where about 2,000 randomly selected, unemployed people aged 25-58 got tax-free income of 560 euros ($636) a month with no questions asked.

Did they select 2,000 randomly selected employed people to jack up their income taxes by an average of 560 euros per month? The money has to come from somewhere and since they are part of the Eurozone they can't just print it to pay for their social programs through inflation.

10 posted on 02/08/2019 8:07:21 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Leave the job, leave the clearance. It should be the same rule for the Swamp as for everyone else.)
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Maybe in Finland it’s cold enough to do this without attracting the entire third world $h!thole population, but I doubt it. Somebody still has to pay for it. Choosing poverty indicates a spiritual crisis, not an economic problem.


11 posted on 02/08/2019 8:15:53 PM PST by cdcdawg
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If not for the weather Finland would have been probably the best country in the World for overall quality of life. And that while being far from being nominally the wealthiest. Last thing they need are social experiments. You better work to keep that you already has.


12 posted on 02/08/2019 8:20:54 PM PST by NorseViking
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“Finland has it all!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZU


13 posted on 02/08/2019 8:22:56 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s amazing how much money a country can fritter away on useless projects.. when another country pays for their nuclear umbrella.


14 posted on 02/08/2019 8:24:19 PM PST by ArtDodger
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It fact they are self-reliant on defence. Not a part of any alliance.


15 posted on 02/08/2019 8:27:44 PM PST by NorseViking
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It fact they are self-reliant on defence. Not a part of any alliance.

Wasn't that a part of their "Peace Agreement" with the Soviet Union, that they couldn't join any alliance?

16 posted on 02/08/2019 8:29:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Hadean

From haves/have-nots to have-tos/will-nots


17 posted on 02/08/2019 8:37:37 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Hadean

Jeeeez if the founding fathers only knew about Finland!!


18 posted on 02/08/2019 8:40:15 PM PST by Phillyred
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To: dfwgator

Peace agreement is barely relevant, just like Soviet Union now.


19 posted on 02/08/2019 8:42:17 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: adorno

And for the ones who are self-starters, once they figure out that they’ll get their income no matter what they do, they’d have no incentive to try to make their newly created businesses run better.


20 posted on 02/08/2019 9:13:58 PM PST by raisetheroof ("To become Red is to become dead --- gradually." Alexander Solzhenitsyn)
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