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To: allendale

“Try to imagine how the additional necessary electricity would be generated.”

I’m curious, your statement triggered a question. Isn’t it more efficient to take a refined petroleum energy, such as gasoline, and burn it directly in a gasoline engine to produce power as opposed to taking a petroleum based energy, burn it in a electrical generating plant, then transfer it to a battery, then use it to run an electric motor?


19 posted on 12/10/2018 4:54:58 PM PST by redfreedom (.)
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To: redfreedom

When considering voltage loss during transmission and the energy cost to mine the lithium and construct the batteries, more energy will ultimately be spent to move a given mass from point A to point B. Assuming the rest of the components on a vehicle be it Electric or Internal Combustion is roughly the same.


28 posted on 12/10/2018 5:03:12 PM PST by allendale (.)
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To: redfreedom
"Isn’t it more efficient to take a refined petroleum energy, such as gasoline, and burn it directly in a gasoline engine to produce power as opposed to taking a petroleum based energy, burn it in a electrical generating plant, then transfer it to a battery, then use it to run an electric motor?"

In a word, no. Conversion efficiency in a central power station is on the order of 45%. Conversion efficiency of a gasoline engine is on the order of 20%. Yes, there are losses down the electricity conversion train, but they are nowhere near the direct losses in IC.

35 posted on 12/10/2018 5:34:47 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: redfreedom
"Isn’t it more efficient to take a refined petroleum energy, such as gasoline, and burn it directly in a gasoline engine to produce power as opposed to taking a petroleum based energy, burn it in a electrical generating plant, then transfer it to a battery, then use it to run an electric motor?"

In a word, no. Conversion efficiency in a central power station is on the order of 45%. Conversion efficiency of a gasoline engine is on the order of 20%. Yes, there are losses down the electricity conversion train, but they are nowhere near the direct losses in IC.

36 posted on 12/10/2018 5:34:48 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: redfreedom
Isn’t it more efficient to take a refined petroleum energy, such as gasoline, and burn it directly in a gasoline engine to produce power as opposed to taking a petroleum based energy, burn it in a electrical generating plant, then transfer it to a battery, then use it to run an electric motor?

I see an analogous situation play out almost every weekend with my neighbor. He uses a battery-powered weedwhacker to cut overgrown weeds in his yard. He does a small portion of the yard, and the batteries die. The next day, after recharging the batteries, he cuts a little more. He never really gets the job done without being frustrated.

Meanwhile, I'll use my gasoline-powered weedwacker, and cut everything neat in my back yard, side yards, front yard as well as my other neighbor's yard - in about the same time it took the battery-lover to do a small section. And I have plenty of fuel in the tank for several more weekends.

Gasoline-powered devices are very efficient and powerful. Battery-powered devices, not so much, and needs much improvement. They are useful for small gadgets like powered hand-drills, but not yet ready for heavy tasks (like a vehicle for moving cargo for extended periods).

46 posted on 12/10/2018 8:54:22 PM PST by roadcat
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To: redfreedom

No. The generating plants are far more efficient than automobile engines.


47 posted on 12/10/2018 9:02:28 PM PST by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: redfreedom

B.O.E. says about 25% overall for an electric car’s coal-to-wheel efficiency.


48 posted on 12/10/2018 10:31:04 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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