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Here's How The Navy Says It Plans To Fix Its Submarine Shortage
Business Insider ^ | 11-28=2018 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 11/28/2018 10:10:59 AM PST by blam

The Virginia-class attack submarine USS North Dakota during bravo sea trials in the Atlantic Ocean, August 18, 2013. Reuters/ Navy

Lawmakers on Tuesday pressed US Navy officials to explain what the service is doing to fix its shortage of attack submarines.

Navy officials testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee's subcommittee on Seapower that the service is on track to achieve a 355-ship fleet by 2034.

Lawmakers, however, were concerned about the more immediate problem of the Navy's submarine shortfall.

Sen. Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota, said that retired Adm. Harry Harris, former head of US Pacific Command, had testified that "only half his requirement for attack submarines in the Pacific theater was being met."

"This challenge will only grow worse in the 2020s as attack submarines retire at a faster rate," Rounds said. "How is the Navy planning to mitigate the attack submarine shortfall in the 2020s?"

Los Angeles-class attack submarine Tucson US Navy Los Angeles-class attack submarine USS Tucson prepares to moor at Fleet Activities Yokosuka, December 1, 2017. US Navy

James Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, said the most "looming shortfall ahead of us in terms of capability is in attack subs."

Geurts said the service is ramping up Virginia-class submarine production to two per year, with the potential of producing more than two down the road.

The Navy is also looking at where it can do "service-life extensions on some of our existing submarines," he said.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Connecticut, referring to a recent Government Accountability Office report on maintenance delays in the attack sub fleet, said that since "2008, 14 attack submarines have spent a combined 61 months — 1,891 days — idling while waiting to enter ship yards for maintenance."

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1 posted on 11/28/2018 10:10:59 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Close down a couple dozen useless bases in europe and use the saved billions to fix the damn subs and build a dozen more......Damn brain dead administrators are in special interests groups pockets.


2 posted on 11/28/2018 10:20:03 AM PST by davidb56
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To: blam

There can never be too many sub sailors.


3 posted on 11/28/2018 10:23:24 AM PST by Az Joe (I AM TRUMP!)
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To: blam

2 per year for the Virginia class is a nice start, but 3 is better.

And yard availability for maintenance is a huge step forward. Sitting idle waiting for your turn in the yard is silly.


4 posted on 11/28/2018 10:23:50 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blam

Fixing the problem is entirely on Congress. They need to allocate more money to repair nObama’s sabotage of the military.


5 posted on 11/28/2018 10:24:50 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: blam

I think that Valerie Jarrett had a meeting with the head of every federal government agency after Obama was elected. She asked them,

“What can your agency do to help the Democrat Party?”

I think that President Trump should have a similar meeting and ask them,

“What can your agency do to help us win the war in Afghanistan?”

The war in Afghanistan is either important enough to have a meeting like that, or we should get out of there.

The focus needs to be on winning.


6 posted on 11/28/2018 10:30:50 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blam
Cut fifty feet from the front of the boat and weld it on the back; sub is now fifty feet longer. Problem solved.

(do I really???)

Government

7 posted on 11/28/2018 10:34:53 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Az Joe

Or subs. Maybe Da Nang Dick would also like to impersonate a mechanic and go man a wrench to help out.


8 posted on 11/28/2018 10:38:12 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: davidb56
Close down a couple dozen useless bases in europe

You'd be hard pressed to find as many a dozen of remaining bases in Europe. The U.S. Army in Europe was dismantled years ago. Recommending cannibalizing what's left of our Defense Establishment is not a good option. Especially when the new Democrat House will be planning to steal from the Defense budget to build model villages for illegal immigrants in Republican districts, complete with high end campsites to bring in border crossers for special occasions, like elections.

9 posted on 11/28/2018 10:39:18 AM PST by centurion316
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To: blueunicorn6
The war in Afghanistan is either important enough to have a meeting like that, or we should get out of there.

I agree. A simple question for Pres Trump and the DoD - "What's the mission in Afghanistan?"

10 posted on 11/28/2018 10:40:33 AM PST by llevrok (Vote while it's still legal)
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To: Mariner

> Sitting idle waiting for your turn in the yard is silly.

Yep, and what if a wartime surge is needed?


11 posted on 11/28/2018 10:47:07 AM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau

“Yep, and what if a wartime surge is needed?”

The those boats get under weigh, whether maintenance is on the schedule or not.


12 posted on 11/28/2018 10:49:52 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: blam

They have starved the military for years and want to know why they have not spent money for needed resources?

This is as stupid as you can possibly get.


13 posted on 11/28/2018 10:52:13 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaged our dreams for survival. We just ha va few days that don't suck.)
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To: blam

Sub shortages are one thing, sub sailor and officer shortages are another.


14 posted on 11/28/2018 10:53:59 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: blam

of course the solution lies in building or licensing AIG diesel subs, but then the Navy would not be all nuclear and naval brass heads would explode


15 posted on 11/28/2018 10:55:48 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Mariner

Most of the replies are all around the problem. It’s all of the above. Not enough money during sequestration, riding boats hard and putting them away wet, trying to stretch maintenance to the limit u til it all builds up causing delays, and limited industrial capacity to build/fix. There’s is no easy fix and simply throwing money at the problem won’t solve it.


16 posted on 11/28/2018 11:37:01 AM PST by 3RIVRS
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Yes, for specified missions build some AIG diesel boats. Modern conventional subs are quite good. Also no need spend the time and money training qualified nuke sailors. Modern nuke subs are awesome, and some missions are impossible for any other platform; however, not every mission for attack subs requires a Virginia Class boat.
17 posted on 11/28/2018 11:42:02 AM PST by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 20 years)
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To: blam
Buying them is one thing, maintaining them is another. From this Article: "For example, the Navy originally scheduled the USS Boise to enter a shipyard for an extended maintenance period in 2013 but, due to heavy shipyard workload, the Navy delayed the start of the maintenance period. In June 2016, the USS Boise could no longer conduct normal operations and the boat has remained idle, pierside for over two years since then waiting to enter a shipyard . GAO estimated that since fiscal year 2008 the Navy has spent more than $1.5 billion in fiscal year 2018 constant dollars to support attack submarines that provide no operational capability—those sitting idle while waiting to enter the shipyards, and those delayed in completing their maintenance at the shipyards."
18 posted on 11/28/2018 11:51:34 AM PST by Lower Deck
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To: 3RIVRS

Money builds more boats and incentivizes more maintenance facilities.

So yeah, money solves the problem.


19 posted on 11/28/2018 11:54:16 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: nuke_road_warrior
Yes, for specified missions build some AIG diesel boats. Modern conventional subs are quite good. Also no need spend the time and money training qualified nuke sailors. Modern nuke subs are awesome, and some missions are impossible for any other platform; however, not every mission for attack subs requires a Virginia Class boat.

The U.S hasn't built a conventional sub for 60 years, so the know-how isn't there anymore. And you have only two shipyards capable of building subs of any type, and those shipyards have a limited capacity. So building a AIP submarine will take up a slip that could be used for a Virginia-class submarine or a Columbia-class submarine. You won't build your sub fleet any faster.

20 posted on 11/28/2018 11:56:46 AM PST by Lower Deck
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