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To: Eleutheria5
Why? The 14th is clear(see below) and there is no law passed by congress granting citizenship to children born to illegals on U.S. soil.

Trump can do it with an executive order and end this lawlessness.


42 posted on 10/30/2018 3:27:53 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Electric Graffiti

So, in case you people missed it...under the 14th, children born here to foreign nationals, whether here legally or illegally, are not U.S. citizens.


54 posted on 10/30/2018 3:41:51 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Jeff Sessions IS the insurance policy)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Author’s intent? Plain language? Get with it, baby. Only another amendment will shut the leftards up. And they will squawk in opposition like angry crows. It might be that the debate will bring up the plain language and author’s intent, but that won’t shut them up. But if it passes, they will have to STFU.


84 posted on 10/30/2018 4:18:06 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

I can easily read that as meaning the children born of Ambassadors and Foreign Ministers from other countries. Yes, this will be challenged hard.


186 posted on 10/30/2018 6:13:45 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

“This will not include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

The understanding of Sen. Howard is not determinative of the meaning of the Citizenship Clause, but lets assume it is. When I read this, it seems to me Howard is saying that only foreigners who belong to the families of ambassadors are excluded, not foreigners in general.

I think you are reading in an “and” that isn’t there. I would also urge you to read the entire debate in which that quote appears, and remember that Howard did not write those words—they are transcribed from a floor debate.

There might be a good originalist argument for your interpretation of the 14th Amendment, but I don’t think it comes from that quote.


328 posted on 10/30/2018 12:16:36 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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